09-27-2011, 10:53 PM
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Dave...Y'shua was not talking to himself on the Cross...He was talking to His Father...and His God, as The Scriptures in any language teaches. It was into the Hands of GOD, His Father, whom He comended His Spirit unto before He died on the Cross. Not to Himself...but to His Father. His Father departed from Him, which is what "forsook" means...not that The Father rejected His Son, but He departed from Him, before the sin of mankind was placed upon The Messiah...and then HE died on the Cross. His Father did not die on the Cross...Th Father's Son died and shed His blood. This is Biblical Doctrine 101 Dave.
To say that The Father & The Holy Spirit died on the Cross...is an idea that is not found in Scripture. Period. GOD is Spirit...and Spirit is unable to die on a Cross, killed by the hands of men.
It was The Messiah of GOD, the Perfect Sinless Human Being, which GOD's Word/Miltha tabernacled in, and was united with, which suffered, shed His Blood, died, was buried, whos Soul decended into Sheol, and rose from among the dead on the 3rd day, ascended Body, Soul, and Spirit into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of His Father, awaiting the command of His Father as to what day and hour to Return, Body, Soul, and Spirit.
I understand the disctiction of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit...because it is taught very clearly in The Scriptures. I do not confuse them, nor their relationship with each other.
I believe that the Eastern Peshitta, IS the Original form of The Holy Scriptures, as given to us by the hands of the Apostles. The Western readings which are aligned with the Greek against the Eastern Peshitta, we made to conform to it by the Monophysites and other groups in the west, who held to false doctrines concerning constitution of Christ, such as Cryil of Alexandria, who split the Church in two in 431 over the Two Natures issue.
I beleive that Bishop Nestorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia before him held the correct doctrine of the two natures in The Messiah, and His relationship with The Father.
You are free to believe as you like Dave...as anyone else may.
I don't judge the Eastern Peshitta by the Greek or Latin...It stands as an independant witness, which I believe to be the Original New Testament, as given to The Church of the East, by the hands of the Apostles and is unchanged from that time.
Blessings,
Chuck
Quote:The Nestorian position essentially is a refusal to acknowledge that God can suffer, bleed, or die, while yet holding that Yeshua is Eternal Deity.
Dave...Y'shua was not talking to himself on the Cross...He was talking to His Father...and His God, as The Scriptures in any language teaches. It was into the Hands of GOD, His Father, whom He comended His Spirit unto before He died on the Cross. Not to Himself...but to His Father. His Father departed from Him, which is what "forsook" means...not that The Father rejected His Son, but He departed from Him, before the sin of mankind was placed upon The Messiah...and then HE died on the Cross. His Father did not die on the Cross...Th Father's Son died and shed His blood. This is Biblical Doctrine 101 Dave.
To say that The Father & The Holy Spirit died on the Cross...is an idea that is not found in Scripture. Period. GOD is Spirit...and Spirit is unable to die on a Cross, killed by the hands of men.
It was The Messiah of GOD, the Perfect Sinless Human Being, which GOD's Word/Miltha tabernacled in, and was united with, which suffered, shed His Blood, died, was buried, whos Soul decended into Sheol, and rose from among the dead on the 3rd day, ascended Body, Soul, and Spirit into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of His Father, awaiting the command of His Father as to what day and hour to Return, Body, Soul, and Spirit.
I understand the disctiction of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit...because it is taught very clearly in The Scriptures. I do not confuse them, nor their relationship with each other.
I believe that the Eastern Peshitta, IS the Original form of The Holy Scriptures, as given to us by the hands of the Apostles. The Western readings which are aligned with the Greek against the Eastern Peshitta, we made to conform to it by the Monophysites and other groups in the west, who held to false doctrines concerning constitution of Christ, such as Cryil of Alexandria, who split the Church in two in 431 over the Two Natures issue.
I beleive that Bishop Nestorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia before him held the correct doctrine of the two natures in The Messiah, and His relationship with The Father.
You are free to believe as you like Dave...as anyone else may.
I don't judge the Eastern Peshitta by the Greek or Latin...It stands as an independant witness, which I believe to be the Original New Testament, as given to The Church of the East, by the hands of the Apostles and is unchanged from that time.
Blessings,
Chuck