08-18-2009, 05:34 PM
Shlama all--
Otto, I love you man really, but you surprise me here. You are a great friend to me and I appreciate you more than you know, but brother, I must disagree with you here.
Anti-Semitism is ALWAYS offensive. And trust me, you don't want a debate with me about why I have a problem with folks saying all Jews are being pushed into the sea.
Not only that, but what Judge said isn't Scriptural either. I will show that in a moment but for now just ask yourself, knowing what Bauscher said about me PERSONALLY, why on earth would you think I would be okay with HIM talking about the destruction of MY RACE? That would be like one of the Ottomans talking cavalierly about what happened in Armenia in 1915 and then going, "I don't understand why those Assyrians and Armenians are so upset."
Now, as for the ETERNAL duration of Israel and her people...
Psalms 137:1-6
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. 2 There on the poplars we hung our harps, 3 for there our captors asked us for songs, our tormentors demanded songs of joy; they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!" 4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord while in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. 6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy.
2 Samuel 7:23-26
23 And who is like your people Israel--the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O Lord, have become their God. 25 "And now, Lord God, keep forever the promise you have made concerning your servant and his house. Do as you promised, 26 so that your name will be great forever. Then men will say, 'The Lord Almighty is God over Israel!' And the house of your servant David will be established before you.
1Ch 22:10 -
He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.'
1Ch 23:25 -
For David had said, "Since the Lord, the God of Israel, has granted rest to his people and has come to dwell in Jerusalem forever,
1Ch 28:4 -
"Yet the Lord, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the house of Judah he chose my family.
And from the NT--
Ro 11:2 -
God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel:
Ro 11:26 -
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
If you guys want to talk about the remnant and such, or how some Jews and Gentiles go astray, that's fine. That's an honest discussion. But to post such a blanket statement from Bauscher is LO TOV (no good). Now what do you say? As Y'shua said, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment.
PS--All quotes are NIV, not from my translation.
Otto, I love you man really, but you surprise me here. You are a great friend to me and I appreciate you more than you know, but brother, I must disagree with you here.
Anti-Semitism is ALWAYS offensive. And trust me, you don't want a debate with me about why I have a problem with folks saying all Jews are being pushed into the sea.
Not only that, but what Judge said isn't Scriptural either. I will show that in a moment but for now just ask yourself, knowing what Bauscher said about me PERSONALLY, why on earth would you think I would be okay with HIM talking about the destruction of MY RACE? That would be like one of the Ottomans talking cavalierly about what happened in Armenia in 1915 and then going, "I don't understand why those Assyrians and Armenians are so upset."
Now, as for the ETERNAL duration of Israel and her people...
Psalms 137:1-6
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. 2 There on the poplars we hung our harps, 3 for there our captors asked us for songs, our tormentors demanded songs of joy; they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!" 4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord while in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. 6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy.
2 Samuel 7:23-26
23 And who is like your people Israel--the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O Lord, have become their God. 25 "And now, Lord God, keep forever the promise you have made concerning your servant and his house. Do as you promised, 26 so that your name will be great forever. Then men will say, 'The Lord Almighty is God over Israel!' And the house of your servant David will be established before you.
1Ch 22:10 -
He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.'
1Ch 23:25 -
For David had said, "Since the Lord, the God of Israel, has granted rest to his people and has come to dwell in Jerusalem forever,
1Ch 28:4 -
"Yet the Lord, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the house of Judah he chose my family.
And from the NT--
Ro 11:2 -
God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel:
Ro 11:26 -
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
If you guys want to talk about the remnant and such, or how some Jews and Gentiles go astray, that's fine. That's an honest discussion. But to post such a blanket statement from Bauscher is LO TOV (no good). Now what do you say? As Y'shua said, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment.
PS--All quotes are NIV, not from my translation.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Andrew Gabriel Roth