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The Lord or our Lord?
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judge Wrote:As mentioned th PNT never uses "the Lord" to refer to Jesus. As in the hebrew bible the term "the lord" is reserved for yahweh. Those who translated it into greek mixed this distiction up in many places. I thessalonians contains some good examples.
I Thess 1:10 mentions that they are waiting on Jesus.

10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead?Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

2:19 says the same thing.

19 For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes?

3:13 says the same.

13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

4:14 again has Jesus coming. (though god brings him)

14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Up till now the greek and the peshitta agree but the next in the next few verses the greek translator got confused and began to call Jesus "the Lord" instead of "our lord" (which the peshitta has).
Paul has just told us several times that it is Jesus who is coming, so it should read "our lord" in the following passage.

15 According to the Lord?s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

In all the places just underlined the PNT has our lord.

All the NT authors follow the lead from the Hebrew bible and only use "the lord" for yahweh


Shlama Akhi Judge:
Nice to see you back after a short hiatus. Consider the way I Corinthians 12:3 is phrased.

"d'Maryeh hu Yeshua"

"dalet-mem-resh-yud-alef.....heh-vav.....Yud-shin-vav-ayin", "that LORD he (is) Yeshua".

Shlama,
Stephen
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The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 07-21-2011, 04:30 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Dani - 07-22-2011, 10:05 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Aaron S - 07-23-2011, 02:21 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 07-23-2011, 04:49 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Aaron S - 07-24-2011, 05:06 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 07-27-2011, 05:20 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 11-01-2011, 01:24 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 11-01-2011, 11:25 PM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Thirdwoe - 11-02-2011, 12:54 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 11-02-2011, 02:54 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Thirdwoe - 11-02-2011, 03:57 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by distazo - 11-02-2011, 06:48 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Thirdwoe - 11-03-2011, 01:47 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 04-20-2012, 03:33 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Stephen Silver - 04-20-2012, 01:55 PM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Stephen Silver - 04-20-2012, 02:07 PM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by judge - 04-21-2012, 09:01 AM
Re: The Lord or our Lord? - by Stephen Silver - 04-21-2012, 04:40 PM

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