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Greek primacists favoring certain anciet texts
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by the way PAul I wanted to take the time to say this... WELCOME BACK! <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->


Paul Younan Wrote:Shlama Akhi Rob,

Rob Wrote:The Calvinistic belief in God preserving his word coincides with the belief that he will intervene on large scales in order to do so. The issue then is not whether or not the Peshitta had a time of prominance, but rather that in the end the Western traditions dominated.

The issue is that the Peshitta dominated MOST of the time, and we are not at the "end" in order for us to declare victory for the Western Traditions....we don't know what the next 1,000 years hold for Christianity and it may very well be an Aramaic-dominated millenium....just like the first one and three centuries of the second one were.


I would also add this. This comes more from my apologetics background in Orthodoxy. By the same notion, that the Calvinist guy talked about God's notion of soverightny etc. you can of course turn that around.


You know God promises to not leave or abandon the Church, and that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it etc. Anyway to believe that the Church of the East really got it wrong when it comes to the scriptures likewise would go against this. Needless to say, we shouldn't be looking at just the most recent centuries of history, all of history actually applies. To discount that is to discount God's promise to never leave or forsake the Church. And from what I can tell God has kept his promise, but done so in a more "round about way" that doesn't fit many folk's paradigms. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->


Anyway I believe that God uses the scriptures and guides the entire world Church in general. However that is not say that their are not problems both in how the Church conducts itself, or in some of the fine points of the literal scriptures that have been passed on. As an Oriental Orthodox I believe that what we need things like Church Tradition etc. to help us with that. So the idea, that their might be a few glitches in the Greek Bible wouldn't be contray to that. Because unlike Protestants I would be loathe to read volumes into one word, or passage but would be likely to interpet things in light of how Christians interpretted passages of the Bible down through the centuries.


Anyway I come here because I do debate theology. Especially Early church theology, Holy Tradition, etc. and I really think original context is so very important. Which is why I come here and read things like LAmsa etc. Because I think in many ways Western Christianity has gotten out of touch with Semitic mindset and culture out of which the Bible spang.


You know I can tell so many stories as a former Protestant that people base major epistological decisions and ideas on the fine points of Greek syntax. Basically the exact punctuation that appears on the page. And well after you study it out, and learn more. You realize how wrong you were for thinking that way. But many people, not only believe that the Bible was first written in Greek. But they believe that the apostles were even actually speaking and thinking in Greek as well, in terms of how strict and how much they read into any apparent Greek nuance etc.


Anyway now years later I realize how foolish this is. But for many people this is the norm. Instead of the saying of St. Irenaus, "What does Athens have to do with Jerusalem?" Many people actually act as if Jesus was born in Athens... <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->
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Re: - by Larry Kelsey - 08-27-2004, 03:38 AM
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thanks everyone - by oozeaddai - 08-27-2004, 07:58 PM
[No subject] - by Ivan Pavlovich Ostapyuk - 08-27-2004, 09:51 PM
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[No subject] - by Ivan Pavlovich Ostapyuk - 08-28-2004, 12:43 AM
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Protecting Ivory towers - by oozeaddai - 08-28-2004, 04:32 AM
Lingua Franca - by oozeaddai - 08-28-2004, 04:39 AM
Twelve Tribes Scattered abroad - by oozeaddai - 08-28-2004, 04:44 AM
Philemon - by oozeaddai - 08-28-2004, 05:00 AM
[No subject] - by byrnesey - 08-28-2004, 05:20 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 08-28-2004, 05:23 AM
Ancient manuscripts - by oozeaddai - 08-28-2004, 09:18 PM
Re: Ancient manuscripts - by Rob - 08-29-2004, 12:26 AM
Re: Ancient manuscripts - by Paul Younan - 08-29-2004, 02:48 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 08-29-2004, 04:29 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 08-29-2004, 05:07 AM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 08-29-2004, 07:21 AM
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Circular reasoning - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 01:01 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 09-01-2004, 01:41 AM
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[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 09-01-2004, 02:13 AM
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WELCOME BACK! - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 04:15 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 09-01-2004, 05:47 AM
verses where Peshitta matters - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 06:50 AM
Re: verses where Peshitta matters - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 07:00 AM
Re: verses where Peshitta matters - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 07:03 AM
Re: verses where Peshitta matters - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 07:04 AM
Re: verses where Peshitta matters - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 07:20 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 09-01-2004, 04:38 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 09-01-2004, 05:08 PM
Your Welcome! - by oozeaddai - 09-01-2004, 05:59 PM
[No subject] - by Rob - 09-01-2004, 07:48 PM
[No subject] - by Rob - 09-01-2004, 08:02 PM
Re: Your Welcome! - by gbausc - 09-01-2004, 09:59 PM
ok - by oozeaddai - 09-02-2004, 02:08 AM
My belief - by oozeaddai - 09-02-2004, 02:40 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 09-02-2004, 03:22 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 09-02-2004, 03:42 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 09-02-2004, 04:14 AM
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[No subject] - by Dave - 09-02-2004, 04:27 PM
[No subject] - by Dan Gan - 09-04-2004, 04:29 PM
[No subject] - by Rob - 09-06-2004, 05:00 PM
Re: My belief - by gbausc - 09-06-2004, 05:50 PM
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Greek suffixes - by gbausc - 09-10-2004, 11:47 AM

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