04-11-2015, 04:57 AM
Quote:Do you live in England? Many of them are in the museum there, and few are available to the public to examine. Those scholars who have examined them, all say the same thing....the Eastern text has remained nearly static through the centuries of copies, with very few scribal errors as well to note.
No dearest Chuck, I don't live in England; but I'd love to go with you and have a look at the manuscripts <!-- s
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--> So, this post is about getting cold hard facts--actual manuscript data. Yes, the claims about the uniformity of the Eastern texts abound, but where are the numbers, the data, the published studies? At least the Greek scholars have produced these numbers for the Greek side of things, and my suspicion is that they might have reason to ignore that Aramaic side of things until thorough scholarship is done.I'm interested in seeing scholarship on the Aramaic side of things... But apparently, from what I've read here, both Andreas Juckel's and George Kiraz' comparative analysis weren't legitimate comparisons for the Eastern Peshitta according to Paul Younan (<!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.peshitta.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3737&p=23251&hilit=juckel#p23251">viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3737&p=23251&hilit=juckel#p23251</a><!-- l -->), and so, I think that it is wonderful that akhan Paul offered to have the Khabouris colophon re-examined, and I'd like to know the outcome.
I see in your other post (<!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.peshitta.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3228&p=24146&hilit=khabouris+colophon#p24146">viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3228&p=24146&hilit=khabouris+colophon#p24146</a><!-- l -->) that you named a few:
Quote:The Khabouris, The Goodspeed, The Yonan, The Houghton, and The Mingana manuscripts
By "Goodspeed" are you referring to Ms. 716, part of the Schoyen collection? If so, I found the answer to one of my original questions in this post. Here is what the Schoyen collection says about Ms. 716: "A large fragment of the book of Acts written in an elegant East Syrian Estrangela script and dating from the 6th or 7th century AD. The folios appear to be numbered in reverse order, but they are easily legible. The Ms reflects the Peshitta text, with very few variants compared to the Bible Society edition. The vowel points used in this Ms and the vowels themselves, indicate that this is a Ms of the Church of the East. It is one of the earliest eastern Syriac Ms I have ever seen."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here is that actual material that we have to work with for Eastern Peshitta:
1) Khabouris (11th-12th)
2) Mingana 148 (17th-18th)
3) Goodspeed Ms. 716 (5th-6th)
4) The Houghton (can you fill me in on this please?)
5) 1905/1920 CE, but as you or others asked, how do we know which manuscripts--eastern, western, etc.?
Quote:I have only found 2 or three so far in the Kahbouris manuscript after systematically going through each book, chapter, verse, word. I'm looking through Luke now going backwards to Matthew. There is a cataloged listing online, but I'll have to find the link later.
I know that you're researching hard on this, and I love that about you. But I don't understand your comment above, because I don't know what you mean by "2 or three." What are you comparing the Khabouris against?
Grace and peace,
Thomas

