09-23-2011, 03:57 AM
Quote:It has become, for most, a controversy about the nature of Yeshua Messiah,and whether we can divide him in half, with the divine and human natures, manifest in two qnomas- "independent personal identities", one divine and one human, each performing their own specific functions and roles (Eastern), where never the twain shall meet or join in one person indivisibly, or whether the Messiah Yeshua was of one divine nature only-(Western).
I don't think you understand the position of the Church of the East on this subject. You seem to be going off of some false understanding of the teachings of Bishop Nestorius, who did not teach such a thing...which Cyril and others in the West mis-judged and for false motives.
According to the way you choose to render Hebrews 2:9, which I see from Janet's translation (which uses the same text source as you did) it could go another way...and Acts 20:28, which you both had no choice, as to the text's wording....you, more than Janet, in these two places, have GOD bleeding and dying upon the Cross, rather than the Son of GOD in his humanity...but not ALL of GOD...just 1/3 of God...The "God the Son" part. Talk about dividing!!! <!-- s:crazy: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/crazy.gif" alt=":crazy:" title="Crazy" /><!-- s:crazy: -->
Unless you teach that The Father and Holy Spirit also died and bled on the Cross...which I don't think you would try to teach.
If The Father is God of The Messiah, then is The Messiah, God of The Father?
We see the Messiah praying to, worshiping, and obeying the will of His God, The Father...but do we ever see The Father praying to, worshiping, or obeying the will of the Messiah?
The Father departed from The Messiah, and The Messiah comended His Spirit to God, both before The Messiah tasted death, in our place, for our redemption. Did the Father taste death?, Did the Holy Spirit taste death?
The "Oneness" folks say that Yeshua IS The Father...and thus The Father died on the Cross. But that is just deception. Its not taught in Scripture.
I don't think you would agree with that Dave...right? But if these two verses are right, as you render them and as the Western Peshitto text has them...then only part of GOD died and bled on the Cross for our redemption...and not all of GOD.
Is that your belief? And what you believe that the Original Aramaic Scriptures teach?
EDIT UPDATE: After reading Dave's notes on Hebrews 2:9 in his 1st edition of his translation, It seems he believes (still?) that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, died on the Cross. If you have his 1st edition, you can read it for yourself. And that is just the tip of the false teaching iceberg there in his notes. I now know why he must reject the Eastern Peshitta reading in Hebrews 2:9 and Acts 20:28. They do not uphold his theology and soteriology...I believe that the Eastern readings are correct and are the Original readings, whereas the Western Peshitto readings are from Greek sources, and were corrupted by the Monophysite heresy adherants and the Jacobite faction.
Blessings,
Chuck