03-27-2014, 07:27 PM
GP. You state:
"Was Jesus talking about himself in all his judgments against the Jews??"
Don't. Go. There.
I've backed off quite a bit in regards to your Posts. Not here. You are making a particular type of generalization and it is VERY UGLY. It is tragically wrong!
You want to talk Pharisees? OK, I'll go back to Hyrcanus 1 with you. Scribes? I know the "whys" of that one as well.
John 2:20 (RSV):
[20] The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"
Many hate "The Jews" for verses such as this - "Challenging Jesus! How dare they!" Hatred, however, clouds what "The Jews" are stating. They are correct in what they are asserting. It is what Jesus is asserting here as well. It's just that you don't get it. It is what Jesus is asserting as well! That's one of the points here!
Consider Tacitus, Histories, Book 3 for a moment:
"The slaughter that followed was made particularly memorable through the murder of a father by his son. I will record the incident with the names, on the authority of Vipstanus Messalla. Julius Mansuetus, a Spaniard, enlisting in the legion Rapax, had left at home a son of tender age. The lad grew up to manhood, and was enrolled by Galba in the 7th legion. Now chancing to meet his father, he brought him to the ground with a wound, and, as he rifled his dying foe, recognized him, and was himself recognized. Clasping the expiring man in his arms, in piteous accents he implored the spirit of his father to be propitious to him, and not to turn from him with loathing as from a parricide. "This guilt," he said, "is shared by all; how small a part of a civil war is a single soldier!" With these words he raised the body, opened a grave, and discharged the last duties for his father. This was noticed by those who were on the spot, then by many others; astonishment and indignation ran through the whole army, and they cursed this most horrible war. Yet as eagerly as ever they stripped the bodies of slaughtered kinsfolk, connexions, and brothers. They talk of an impious act having been done, and they do it themselves."
"This guilt is shared by all..." Heard that one before?
Matthew 27: 25 (RSV):
[25] And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
I don't think that there is any mention of "Jews" in the Tacitus report. I don't recall ever hearing that hatred of the Romans should carry over to killing Italians today but that is the equivalent.
Your Zeal and emotionality have let you down in this case. You have tipped your hand to show your true feelings and it is to be repudiated.
Hatred of the Jews?
DON'T. GO. THERE.
CW
"Was Jesus talking about himself in all his judgments against the Jews??"
Don't. Go. There.
I've backed off quite a bit in regards to your Posts. Not here. You are making a particular type of generalization and it is VERY UGLY. It is tragically wrong!
You want to talk Pharisees? OK, I'll go back to Hyrcanus 1 with you. Scribes? I know the "whys" of that one as well.
John 2:20 (RSV):
[20] The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"
Many hate "The Jews" for verses such as this - "Challenging Jesus! How dare they!" Hatred, however, clouds what "The Jews" are stating. They are correct in what they are asserting. It is what Jesus is asserting here as well. It's just that you don't get it. It is what Jesus is asserting as well! That's one of the points here!
Consider Tacitus, Histories, Book 3 for a moment:
"The slaughter that followed was made particularly memorable through the murder of a father by his son. I will record the incident with the names, on the authority of Vipstanus Messalla. Julius Mansuetus, a Spaniard, enlisting in the legion Rapax, had left at home a son of tender age. The lad grew up to manhood, and was enrolled by Galba in the 7th legion. Now chancing to meet his father, he brought him to the ground with a wound, and, as he rifled his dying foe, recognized him, and was himself recognized. Clasping the expiring man in his arms, in piteous accents he implored the spirit of his father to be propitious to him, and not to turn from him with loathing as from a parricide. "This guilt," he said, "is shared by all; how small a part of a civil war is a single soldier!" With these words he raised the body, opened a grave, and discharged the last duties for his father. This was noticed by those who were on the spot, then by many others; astonishment and indignation ran through the whole army, and they cursed this most horrible war. Yet as eagerly as ever they stripped the bodies of slaughtered kinsfolk, connexions, and brothers. They talk of an impious act having been done, and they do it themselves."
"This guilt is shared by all..." Heard that one before?
Matthew 27: 25 (RSV):
[25] And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
I don't think that there is any mention of "Jews" in the Tacitus report. I don't recall ever hearing that hatred of the Romans should carry over to killing Italians today but that is the equivalent.
Your Zeal and emotionality have let you down in this case. You have tipped your hand to show your true feelings and it is to be repudiated.
Hatred of the Jews?
DON'T. GO. THERE.
CW