10-08-2008, 05:07 PM
Shlama Akhi Otto,
Aleph, A, B, Vulgate and the Peshitta and even Old Syriac omit "in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (8) And there are three witness bearers on earth."
I think there is plenty of "blame" to go around since Lamsa was not translating from the Byzantine, and further, even when Lamsa did make references to Peshitta differences, Harper Collins supressed his notes and to this day it is the HC version that most folks are familar with. The 1998 Lamsa re-issue though goes a long way to correcting much of these problems but I am pretty sure for every 1 of those bought, the older more problematic version has sold probably a hundred. So the "blame" in my view is with Harper Collins for the most part, although Lamsa is not totally without responsibility either.
I think it is very important to do what I did in Mari and have a note IN BASE TEXT that says, "Verse 7 is not existent in the Peshitta". It's okay to talk about variant readings and omissions, but we should never obscure or make it less apparent to the reader what is in the source text and what is not. Lamsa catered to a KJV Protestant crowd owing to the realities of his time.
Regardless as to how anyone else here may agree or disagree with the theology, the mss record is 100% clear. This is a LATE reading. If you translate the Peshitta, then deal with what is there and what is not. I do refer to the variant reading but in the footnotes.
This was also done by Murdock who put [] around the verse and said "wanting in most mss". You asked what is going on and that is my best answer.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Aleph, A, B, Vulgate and the Peshitta and even Old Syriac omit "in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (8) And there are three witness bearers on earth."
I think there is plenty of "blame" to go around since Lamsa was not translating from the Byzantine, and further, even when Lamsa did make references to Peshitta differences, Harper Collins supressed his notes and to this day it is the HC version that most folks are familar with. The 1998 Lamsa re-issue though goes a long way to correcting much of these problems but I am pretty sure for every 1 of those bought, the older more problematic version has sold probably a hundred. So the "blame" in my view is with Harper Collins for the most part, although Lamsa is not totally without responsibility either.
I think it is very important to do what I did in Mari and have a note IN BASE TEXT that says, "Verse 7 is not existent in the Peshitta". It's okay to talk about variant readings and omissions, but we should never obscure or make it less apparent to the reader what is in the source text and what is not. Lamsa catered to a KJV Protestant crowd owing to the realities of his time.
Regardless as to how anyone else here may agree or disagree with the theology, the mss record is 100% clear. This is a LATE reading. If you translate the Peshitta, then deal with what is there and what is not. I do refer to the variant reading but in the footnotes.
This was also done by Murdock who put [] around the verse and said "wanting in most mss". You asked what is going on and that is my best answer.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth