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John 19:19 (YHWH?)
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Hey Rafa,

Welcome to the forum brother.

I don't want to mislead you here with our tone, this isn't a question of superiority although someone who hasn't read this forum before, and who isn't familiar with how I make my point sometimes, may get that (incorrect) impression.

There isn't anything "superior" or particularly admirable about any of these language over the language of Zimbabwe, Mongolia or France.

That being said, the issue here is of extreme importance because what many people may not realize is the hidden danger in this "Hebrew Primacy" movement. To me, Hebrew and Aramaic are one and the same. I don't care which the NT was written in, if it were Hebrew and if Meshikha spoke Hebrew, this website would be about Hebrew.

However, the danger lies in the fact that this movement is nothing short of a Trojan Horse sent by the Greeks, as a counter-attack to the Aramaic primacy movement.

They realize fully that they cannot answer our examples with the Greek, so they invent a movement that is really Greek in Hebrew dress. Ultimately, there is no Hebrew version that dates back to the apostolic period that remains in our possession. That becomes crucial when you think about how that undermines any position, like ours, that is opposed to the Greek.

You will notice, with very little exception, that any "Hebrew" based movement...whether within the relatively recent "Messianic Judaism" context, or this "Hebrew Primacy" of the NT nonsense.....ultimately originates with Greek Primacists, primarily those of the American Evangelical fold.

They are trying to convert Jews to Christianity....their particular branch, of course, by sneaking in these types of tricks. Real Jews, however, can smell this conspiracy and spot it right away.

Others, unfortunately, are more than happy with a basically KJV-bible with some Hebrew names sprinkled here and there.

Ultimately, an Aramaic Peshitta that demonstrates the Greek version is a translation upsets the balance....foils their plans.

So while this may seem like a trivial discussion revolving around "my language is better than yours", trust me when I say it is of utmost importance for those of us who are trying to slay the Greek dragon and what Hellenism has done to this Semitic Faith.
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John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by distazo - 12-02-2007, 04:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by gbausc - 12-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-12-2007, 03:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 04:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 05:03 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 05:30 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 08:59 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 09:04 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:09 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-15-2007, 01:25 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-15-2007, 02:47 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 02:48 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 02:49 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-15-2007, 03:40 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 07:19 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-15-2007, 03:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-15-2007, 06:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 02:23 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 03:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 04:05 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 04:49 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 05:51 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Karl - 12-17-2007, 06:20 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 07:21 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 09:45 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 10:52 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 12:22 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-18-2007, 05:47 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-18-2007, 05:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 12:31 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Karl - 12-19-2007, 01:42 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:55 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:58 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 04:27 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:38 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:48 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 02:26 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 02:38 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 12:24 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 03:38 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 07:11 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 07:49 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-20-2007, 08:19 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by gbausc - 12-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:38 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:39 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:03 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:06 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:35 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 10:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 11:36 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-21-2007, 03:39 AM
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