Matthew 28:19

[Dave]

First we had the "revelation" theory. Now we have another one from Dave,...

Point two is clear as mud. Matthew 28:19 says nothing about "reciting these words when you baptize: In the Name of the Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit." - Literally !
If you want to be literal about it, then read the literal text. Where does it say , "Recite these words when you baptize, ..." ?

I think this from Dave was in relation to the section of scripture I posted from 1 Corinthians 1:17,

But Christ did not send me to baptize,..

It is part of Christianity to be baptised, but here the Apostle Paul states that he was not sent to do that thing, not his objective. It is interesting to say the least! The current scripture section on the great commission states to have them baptised but Paul says that is not his objective!?!

Interesting!

Dave says that they were not commissioned to baptise but this section of scripture is a "revelation" again, that it doesn't mean to do what it says, it is only a "revelation" of something greater, not a decree.

Let's look at Eusebius's quote:

"Go ye and make disciples of all peoples in my name, and teach them every thing which I have commanded you. "

Now this would agree more with what The Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians rather than a section saying to baptize and Dave saying it meant something but it didn't really mean to do.


Ok, let's look at some scripture on baptism:

"When they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came upon them"

They received The Spirit, why?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See also John 7:39).

It is written:"whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus. .." (Colossians 3:17).

Again, scripture tells the truth and exposes the lie. They were baptised in the name of Jesus and received The Holy Spirit thereafter when Paul layed his hands upon them. Do all in the name of Jesus. Eusebius's quote agree with the Apostle Paul's quote here. Scripture agreeing with scripture.

But what was Paul's focus? Winning souls, discipleship, brotherhood, not baptism, that would come afterward.

Scripture is speaking here not me Dave. How am I to lie when it is not me doing the talking in this regards. I'm using scripture to assert my position here not theories.

Am I giving the audience misquotes or incorrect information from questionable people? No, in fact I had to correct you and give all the information to clear up the quote you gave so that it wasn't construed incorrectly against me. And the source was questionable and biased. I hold to the triune nature of GOD not the oneness belief here, so where would my bias be in this regards? I don't have some objective to remove the trinity from the bible, heh.

There is no cover up here or drama from me Dave. Of course I have some laughs out of it, your revelation theory was a good one, so is this new one (I still haven't figured out a name to call it yet).

But I'll say it again:

whenever you want to start using scripture that you find to correct this or enlighten me in my way of error Dave, by all means have at it, but please use scripture here, not conjecture or theories of "revelation" that tie other things together.

Additionally:

Nor theories that elude to something else or make The Lord out to say something He didn't, or not do something that He said to do.

I'm not the one making wild things up to explain my position, nor am I lying to myself in front of people Dave, you are.