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Matthew 28:19
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You are twisting yourself, everything you have said and everything I have said into a pretzel, Dave.
You asked, "Is Christ divided?". I said, "no, He is united with His Father and The Holy Spirit."

You respond,
Quote:Your personal beliefs have taken Christ and applied these titles into His own persona, that is attempting to divide Him, which goes exactly against what The Apostle Paul taught.

First of all, even if I did believe in oneness teaching, which I do not, uniting the names of the Trinity (which I do believe in) into one Name (Christ) is not dividing Him. It is the unity of The Godhead.
You have already lost this argument, Dave. You just won't concede defeat, so you try to make it out that I am saying what you wanted me to say, which is that Jesus is the only God there is-that He is The Father and The Holy Spirit and The Son, which is oneness doctrine and is sheer nonsense.

I will not allow you to twist my words and God's words into their opposites. "Christ" means "The Anointed One" ("Meshikha" in Aramaic) . Scripture (Isaiah 61:1, Acts 10:38) says God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with The Holy Spirit. The Name of Jesus Christ is then a revelation of the Trinity:
The Father Who anointed Him, The Son Who is anointed, The Holy Spirit Who is The anointing.
If that is heresy, then I am guilty, along with the apostle Peter and our Lord Himself, of being a heretic. Our Lord quoted Isaiah 61 as applying to Himself: "The Spirit of Jehovah is upon Me, because Jehovah God has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor, ..."

If you deny these truths, then you are the heretic, not I.

You wrote:
Yet, you continued on in the same sentence and divided Him;

Quote:
He is united with The Father and The Holy Spirit- inseparably united so that the Name of "The Christ" is a revelation of God The Father and The Holy Spirit. Whoever pronounces His full Name -
"MarYa Yeshua Meshikha" is truly pronoucing The Name of The Godhead (The Father,The Son, The Holy Spirit)

How is saying He is united with His Father and The Holy Spirit dividing Him ?

You are the one dividing Him, Dave of Diego Garcia.

Then you go on and write the following:
Quote:It is more than obvious to the casual onlooker that the current phrase in our bibles was an insertion into the texts by heretics.

Matthew 28:19 is inserted by heretics ? That would make every Bible ever published heretical.
Every manuscript of Matthew would then be heretical; every Protestant and Catholic church would be heretical; every Assemblies of God,the Church of The East would be heretical; The Syrian Orthodox Church, The Greek Orthodox Church, The Russian Orthodox, etc.- All are heretical, Dave of Diego Garcia,according to you, because they all have and accept Matthew 28:19 as scripture and believe in the Trinity and recite these words at baptisms.


But you go on:
"
Quote:Also, the portion of Matthew's scripture that Dave utilized in his defense, that The Lord attests, "

Quote:
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


happens to be known as bible prophesy, not an ongoing action as Dave and others tend to make it out to be, so as to justify this NT text and others. This is validated easily as it was attached to the portion of "Heaven and earth shall pass away,..." and we have yet to see that happen. This is to be fulfilled, hence the faith of the believers.

Now, you have yet to learn a perfectly reasonable rule : "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
But you went ahead and fixed the scripture anyhow, Dave of Diego Garcia.

What in the world are you saying about this verse (Matthew 24:35) I may never know or want to know.
Is this your version of this verse :
"Heaven and earth will pass away and so will My words for thousands of years, and then I will send Dave of Diego Garcia and others who will "rewrite the books", for He and they will be "His People" who will correct all things, for the scriptures will pass away for many generations and then they will rise again from the West coast of the Americas and move eastward , sending My latter rain of the Word upon the earth from those who know neither the scriptures nor the power of God, nor can they pronounce My Name in any language with understanding, nor do they study to show themselves approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth."Well, that certainly set my mind at ease, and makes it all so much clearer.

You think you're digging out of that hole you're in,Dave of Diego Garcia, but you are so far down it now that I can barely see ya from up here.

Do ya want a rope ?


Dave Bauscher
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Matthew 28:19 - by trettep - 06-03-2005, 01:31 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-03-2005, 08:00 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-03-2005, 08:59 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-13-2005, 08:34 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-13-2005, 11:11 AM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-13-2005, 09:03 PM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 06-13-2005, 10:11 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-13-2005, 11:14 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-14-2005, 02:46 AM
What's in a name ? - by gbausc - 06-19-2005, 11:54 AM
What's in a name ? - by gbausc - 06-19-2005, 11:56 AM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-19-2005, 01:40 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-20-2005, 02:55 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-21-2005, 03:09 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-22-2005, 01:22 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-22-2005, 06:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-23-2005, 03:04 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-23-2005, 05:15 AM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-23-2005, 10:56 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-24-2005, 03:01 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-24-2005, 10:28 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-24-2005, 06:29 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-27-2005, 08:23 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 06-28-2005, 10:02 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 06-30-2005, 01:28 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 06-30-2005, 08:55 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-01-2005, 05:39 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-01-2005, 08:02 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-02-2005, 11:09 AM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-02-2005, 12:47 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-02-2005, 12:51 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-02-2005, 03:49 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-02-2005, 04:19 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-03-2005, 07:30 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-03-2005, 09:36 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-04-2005, 07:58 AM
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[No subject] - by Dave - 07-05-2005, 01:44 AM
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[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-05-2005, 07:42 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-05-2005, 08:57 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-05-2005, 10:38 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-06-2005, 03:00 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-06-2005, 04:58 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-06-2005, 02:17 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-06-2005, 02:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-06-2005, 05:26 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-07-2005, 05:28 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-07-2005, 05:38 PM
Matthew 24:35 - by gbausc - 07-07-2005, 10:33 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-07-2005, 11:45 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-08-2005, 03:12 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-08-2005, 08:18 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-08-2005, 09:34 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-09-2005, 06:47 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-09-2005, 09:59 AM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-09-2005, 11:01 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-09-2005, 11:58 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-09-2005, 07:43 PM
[No subject] - by trettep - 07-09-2005, 10:19 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-10-2005, 12:27 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-10-2005, 01:07 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-10-2005, 01:34 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-10-2005, 05:32 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-10-2005, 12:22 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-11-2005, 01:32 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-11-2005, 08:42 AM
Ploughman (& Blogging Dave) answered - by gbausc - 07-11-2005, 10:00 AM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-11-2005, 12:40 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-11-2005, 12:59 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-11-2005, 02:06 PM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-11-2005, 03:51 PM
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[No subject] - by Dave - 07-12-2005, 08:30 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-15-2005, 05:56 PM
[No subject] - by Dave - 07-16-2005, 12:53 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 07-18-2005, 09:32 PM
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