02-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Absolutely I forgive you Bar Khela. My Master commands such, when repentance is offered.
To wrap up briefly Akhi, you should be more careful next time out. I never want to be that angry as such is against my nature. You did not need that line "Today's ZIonists are just as wicked as their predecessors" in any form whatsoever, to make your intended point about times of peace between Jews and Muslims, a point that I never contested. And even as yolu quoted that rabbi, I think it would have been better to acknowledge the idea that 99% of us Jews in the world are in fact Zionist. Therefore, rabbi's words notwithstanding, calling 99% of us wicked is an insult. That was my point to you and I am glad that you have seen it as such now.
And to be honest, I hope you are right about one thing. I hope it is really the case that Al-Quaeda and other like minded Muslims are in fact extremists who pervert a true religion of peace, but I must also say I have read verse in the Qu'uran that quite honestly terrify me. What is more terrifying also is the widespread attestation from Muslims that the violent parts of the Qu'uran have abrogated the 114 peaceful verses, or that the peaceful verses apply to Muslims only, not the wider world. I am not an expert on these matters to be sure, and I hate having to rely on translation in any case, for obvious reasons. Arabic just looks to me like Serto script on a bad day, so I am in the same boat as many Westerners.
You might also want to reconsider that line about the Torah being lost and having no weight, because it is not true. I was on the website <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.answeringislam.org">http://www.answeringislam.org</a><!-- w -->, and they make some interesting points that the Qu'uran itself suffers from similar problems, that the original there is also in doubt as well. As for the Torah, in all its ancient variants such as Dead Sea Scrolls, SP, LXX and so on, there is no disagreement whatsoever about Abraham, Moses, the Ten Commandments, or the covenant at Sinai. There are different ways such is expressed, but the essential message is intact, eternal and binding.
Be well Akhi, and think well on what I have said.
To wrap up briefly Akhi, you should be more careful next time out. I never want to be that angry as such is against my nature. You did not need that line "Today's ZIonists are just as wicked as their predecessors" in any form whatsoever, to make your intended point about times of peace between Jews and Muslims, a point that I never contested. And even as yolu quoted that rabbi, I think it would have been better to acknowledge the idea that 99% of us Jews in the world are in fact Zionist. Therefore, rabbi's words notwithstanding, calling 99% of us wicked is an insult. That was my point to you and I am glad that you have seen it as such now.
And to be honest, I hope you are right about one thing. I hope it is really the case that Al-Quaeda and other like minded Muslims are in fact extremists who pervert a true religion of peace, but I must also say I have read verse in the Qu'uran that quite honestly terrify me. What is more terrifying also is the widespread attestation from Muslims that the violent parts of the Qu'uran have abrogated the 114 peaceful verses, or that the peaceful verses apply to Muslims only, not the wider world. I am not an expert on these matters to be sure, and I hate having to rely on translation in any case, for obvious reasons. Arabic just looks to me like Serto script on a bad day, so I am in the same boat as many Westerners.
You might also want to reconsider that line about the Torah being lost and having no weight, because it is not true. I was on the website <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.answeringislam.org">http://www.answeringislam.org</a><!-- w -->, and they make some interesting points that the Qu'uran itself suffers from similar problems, that the original there is also in doubt as well. As for the Torah, in all its ancient variants such as Dead Sea Scrolls, SP, LXX and so on, there is no disagreement whatsoever about Abraham, Moses, the Ten Commandments, or the covenant at Sinai. There are different ways such is expressed, but the essential message is intact, eternal and binding.
Be well Akhi, and think well on what I have said.
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Andrew Gabriel Roth