06-13-2005, 09:03 PM
Yes. I'm glad you guys have been replying to this topic. Yes I do search the scriptures for the Truth and that is the reason I'm here as I do see primacy over Greek as some sites have shown there to be almost unrefutable evidence this is why I'm perplexed further by this particular verse. I do believe in the plurality of God and have a keen sense of scripture. I don't belong to a "church" and study myself intensely (though never enough in my opinion). I had a lot of trouble understanding this until I looked at the evidence that God gave us which is better than scripture. I realized that God is asking us to be Born Again as Children of God. I thought about the fact that mankinds own birth process is from God - we didn't create human reproduction - God did. I also, believe that it must have been good - so good that I believed that process is used in reproduction a Christian (born again). I believe that the Father in Heaven is the Supreme authority and power and that He is creating offspring through Jesus as an example and through His Holy Spirit. I believe that Holy Spirit is actually the divine nature of the Father in Heaven Himself.
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
That divine nature IS the Holy Spirit. I believe that anywhere that Holy Spirit is - IS God (The Father), whether its in me or another. That is why those that have it are called Sons of God. This is just like the way we raise our own children. We impart to them our nature and they can understand and know our voices and comprehend our teaching.
God even compared that Spirit to our the one in man:
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knows the mind of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so, no man knows the mind of God, except the Spirit of God.
The Father is also Spirit as the Bible says and most know and obviously that Spirit is Holy. Therefore, in the Trinity doctrine to me that has listed 2 Holy Spirits.
Eph 3:14 -15
14 For this cause I bow my knees to the Father of our LORD Jesus Christ, 15 For whom all fatherhood in heaven and in earth is named,
This is why I know that Matthew 28:19 is a phony and even more so that all other accounts of baptism have it being done in the name of Jesus. This is why I am looking to find the books that contain the correct renderings of this verse. Because the Peshitta translations that I have seen contain the Trinity, I know its not original though that doesn't mean that the book of Matthew wasn't written in Aramaic - its just that I only know of a Hebrew version at this time that in my opinion got that verse potentially correct in George Howards and a couple others. Not to mean they are completely correct but that verse is - which compels me to investigate it further.
By the way - I'm not trying to debate the Trinity doctrine at this time but clarifying my reason as to the importance of what I'm seeking for.
Paul
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
That divine nature IS the Holy Spirit. I believe that anywhere that Holy Spirit is - IS God (The Father), whether its in me or another. That is why those that have it are called Sons of God. This is just like the way we raise our own children. We impart to them our nature and they can understand and know our voices and comprehend our teaching.
God even compared that Spirit to our the one in man:
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knows the mind of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so, no man knows the mind of God, except the Spirit of God.
The Father is also Spirit as the Bible says and most know and obviously that Spirit is Holy. Therefore, in the Trinity doctrine to me that has listed 2 Holy Spirits.
Eph 3:14 -15
14 For this cause I bow my knees to the Father of our LORD Jesus Christ, 15 For whom all fatherhood in heaven and in earth is named,
This is why I know that Matthew 28:19 is a phony and even more so that all other accounts of baptism have it being done in the name of Jesus. This is why I am looking to find the books that contain the correct renderings of this verse. Because the Peshitta translations that I have seen contain the Trinity, I know its not original though that doesn't mean that the book of Matthew wasn't written in Aramaic - its just that I only know of a Hebrew version at this time that in my opinion got that verse potentially correct in George Howards and a couple others. Not to mean they are completely correct but that verse is - which compels me to investigate it further.
By the way - I'm not trying to debate the Trinity doctrine at this time but clarifying my reason as to the importance of what I'm seeking for.
Paul