02-15-2005, 02:21 AM
He has made it known to His People, Dave. Long before you came around, He made it known to all the people who were part of Aramaic-based Christianity....including Jews, Arabs, Arameans, Assyrians, Indians, Persians, Afghanis, Turks, Uzbeks, Kurds, Pakistanis, Chinese, Malaysian, Filipino, Korean, Japanese, Siberian, Mongol....I could go on and on.
No, He is not a respecter of culture or a specific race of people. But for you to insinuate that this is something limited to Assyrians or Jews is irresponsibly uneducated on your part. For your information, even today the vast majority of the Church of the East is non-Assyrian, ethnically. They don't even speak Aramaic as their native tongue. But they venerate Aramaic like you venerate the Greek.
Assyrians have always been the minority in the CoE. Aramaic-speakers have always been in the minority in the CoE. Can you comprehend that we are, and have always been, a universal church?
Ours is an ethnic movement, but yours is not?
Of course not. The Greek church is an ethnic church as well. However, you have no intention of questioning their claims to primacy and would never dream of insinuating that their claims to primacy are simply "cultural pride."
God cared enough about converting the Greeks westward that He decided to compose the written account of the Aramaic Gospel in the Greek language, but He didn't care enough about converting the Arameans eastward to preserve (not translate) the Aramaic Gospel in some written form?
And that line of thinking isn't racist? Why should God have translated the Aramaic preaching of Jesus into the Greek language to form the "original" NT, but God not have preserved the originally Aramaic preaching of Jesus into.....guess what? Aramaic?
Weren't those millions of Aramaic-speaking Gentiles in the vicinity of Jerusalem and to the East of Jerusalem worthy of salvation? Worthy of receiving a text of scripture in their own language so they could understand what the message was? The Message originally delivered in their own language, anyway?
Do you not see how ludicrous that is?
And then you have the gall to say that God "removed" the understanding from the Hebrew people. If it were not for the Hebrew people who followed God's command, and their Messiah, who came and baptized your predecessors the Greeks, you would still be worshipping trees.
Have some respect, for Chrissakes. One would have thunk that being on that military ship and seeing the world the way you have would have brought you to the realization that the world doesn't center around you. Apparently not.
As soon as you presume to exclude Aramaic-speakers from the "Body of Christ", then you have come off as racist to me and to anyone else here who happens to be in the same ethno-linguistic group as I.
God is witnessing to the Aramaic, as He always has. Open your eyes. That's why you are here, and won't leave us alone. That's why Gibson's film came out. He certainly witnessed to Mel Gibson about Aramaic, didn't He. And to the millions upon tens of millions, across the globe, who saw the movie.
This is evidence we have here, son. This evidence will hold up in any public forum, in any court setting. Either you have an answer for our evidence, or you don't.
This is a simple example. I purposely chose it because it requires no intimate knowledge of either Aramaic or Greek grammar.
What are you going to do with the harder stuff? Brush me aside all you want. Claim I have some sort of brain-washed following here. I don't care for any of it. I have the feeling right now to just shut the damn thing off altogether. I'm not selling you anything. I could care less what you believe. I'm here for those who want to question the currently accepted dogmas. I'm here to share whatever knowledge and talent God has given me for the sake of those interested in the same topic, and who believe, as I do, the ridiculous assumption that the teaching of Christ were actually cared about enough to be preserved in the original language and setting. I know it's an unreasonable assumption, I know.
You are free to go, why are you here if you are not interested in this topic?
No, He is not a respecter of culture or a specific race of people. But for you to insinuate that this is something limited to Assyrians or Jews is irresponsibly uneducated on your part. For your information, even today the vast majority of the Church of the East is non-Assyrian, ethnically. They don't even speak Aramaic as their native tongue. But they venerate Aramaic like you venerate the Greek.
Assyrians have always been the minority in the CoE. Aramaic-speakers have always been in the minority in the CoE. Can you comprehend that we are, and have always been, a universal church?
Ours is an ethnic movement, but yours is not?
Of course not. The Greek church is an ethnic church as well. However, you have no intention of questioning their claims to primacy and would never dream of insinuating that their claims to primacy are simply "cultural pride."
God cared enough about converting the Greeks westward that He decided to compose the written account of the Aramaic Gospel in the Greek language, but He didn't care enough about converting the Arameans eastward to preserve (not translate) the Aramaic Gospel in some written form?
And that line of thinking isn't racist? Why should God have translated the Aramaic preaching of Jesus into the Greek language to form the "original" NT, but God not have preserved the originally Aramaic preaching of Jesus into.....guess what? Aramaic?
Weren't those millions of Aramaic-speaking Gentiles in the vicinity of Jerusalem and to the East of Jerusalem worthy of salvation? Worthy of receiving a text of scripture in their own language so they could understand what the message was? The Message originally delivered in their own language, anyway?
Do you not see how ludicrous that is?
And then you have the gall to say that God "removed" the understanding from the Hebrew people. If it were not for the Hebrew people who followed God's command, and their Messiah, who came and baptized your predecessors the Greeks, you would still be worshipping trees.
Have some respect, for Chrissakes. One would have thunk that being on that military ship and seeing the world the way you have would have brought you to the realization that the world doesn't center around you. Apparently not.
As soon as you presume to exclude Aramaic-speakers from the "Body of Christ", then you have come off as racist to me and to anyone else here who happens to be in the same ethno-linguistic group as I.
God is witnessing to the Aramaic, as He always has. Open your eyes. That's why you are here, and won't leave us alone. That's why Gibson's film came out. He certainly witnessed to Mel Gibson about Aramaic, didn't He. And to the millions upon tens of millions, across the globe, who saw the movie.
This is evidence we have here, son. This evidence will hold up in any public forum, in any court setting. Either you have an answer for our evidence, or you don't.
This is a simple example. I purposely chose it because it requires no intimate knowledge of either Aramaic or Greek grammar.
What are you going to do with the harder stuff? Brush me aside all you want. Claim I have some sort of brain-washed following here. I don't care for any of it. I have the feeling right now to just shut the damn thing off altogether. I'm not selling you anything. I could care less what you believe. I'm here for those who want to question the currently accepted dogmas. I'm here to share whatever knowledge and talent God has given me for the sake of those interested in the same topic, and who believe, as I do, the ridiculous assumption that the teaching of Christ were actually cared about enough to be preserved in the original language and setting. I know it's an unreasonable assumption, I know.
You are free to go, why are you here if you are not interested in this topic?
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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