09-10-2008, 02:18 PM
Shlama Akhi Albion,
Actually in a way both you and Ryan are correct. Before explaining that though, let us define our terms:
Strong's Number: 2169 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin eucaristia from (2170)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Eucharistia 9:407,1298 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yoo-khar-is-tee'-ah Noun Feminine Definition thankfulness the giving of thanks NAS Word Usage - Total: 15 giving of thanks 3, gratefully* 1, gratitude 2, thankfulness 1, thanks 2, thanksgiving 4, thanksgivings 2 NAS Verse Count Acts 1 1 Corinthians 1 2 Corinthians 3 Ephesians 1 Philippians 1 Colossians 2 1 Thessalonians 1 1 Timothy 3 Revelation 2 Total 15
As you know this is also a loan word brough into the Peshitta, so same meanings. Now let's look at the Scripture:
Php 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to Elohim.
This is the typical usage. EUCHARIST is not some insititutionalized thing--but merely the simple action of giving thanks to YHWH at a meal. That's it. And we know the apostles met for communal meals, including just after Shabbat, with something called "havdilah" (Acts 20:7). Let's look at some other examples:
1Co 14:16 Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the"Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying?
Now we are getting more specific. You see this is an expected part of the believer's sacred routine and the people doing this are both of Jewish and Gentile descent. Let's do a little more with the same word in a different form:
Mt 15:36
and He took the seven loaves and the fish; and giving thanks, He broke them and started giving them to the disciples, and the disciples {gave them} to the people.
Mt 26:27
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave {it} to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you...".
In both cases in the Greek, the word is Eucharisteo, and here we see the precise context I spoke of, the blessing of thanks to YHWH at regular and sacred meals. Matti 26:27 is of course at the Passover Seder known as the Last Supper, a fact also confirmed by Rav Shaul:
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.
And also here:
NAS Verse Count Greek Word: Eujcaristevw Transliterated Word: eucharisteo
Ac 27:35 And having said this, he took bread and gave thanks to Elohim in the presence of all; and he broke it and began to eat.
Ac 28:15 And the brethren, when they heard about us, came from there as far as the Market of Appius and Three Inns to meet us; and when Paul saw them, he thanked Elohim and took courage.
So basically any occasion that the believers go together for and broke bread was in fact a EUCHARIST. That could therefore be a Shabbat meal, or one on the first day of the week (I would say after sunset on Saturday night) or it can be a major holiday like Passover. All these occasions in the Torah and the NT require believers to GIVE THANKS (eucharist) to YHWH for their salvation.
Finally, from a Nazarene viewpoint, Y'shua's life is a living example of all the Torah holidays. He was born between Yom Kippur and the start of Sukkot, representing a sin-offering-qorban (Matti 1:21), and that means he was conceived as the Light of the World 9 months earlier, in Hanukkah (the Festival of Lights). In fact there is a huge hint to this fact in what I call "the third nativity" in John. Of course he dies as the Paschal lamb and is resurrected on Bikurrim (first fruits) to be firstfruits from among the dead.
So on the one hand everyone 2000 years ago was in the habit of giving thanks as part of their sacred practice. On the other hand, the Torah observant Nazarenes had most certainly found the ancient occasions of Israel pregnant with new meaning and symbolism due to the example of their Master. Both dynamics are clearly going on in the Holy Writ.
Hope this helps!
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Actually in a way both you and Ryan are correct. Before explaining that though, let us define our terms:
Strong's Number: 2169 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin eucaristia from (2170)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Eucharistia 9:407,1298 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yoo-khar-is-tee'-ah Noun Feminine Definition thankfulness the giving of thanks NAS Word Usage - Total: 15 giving of thanks 3, gratefully* 1, gratitude 2, thankfulness 1, thanks 2, thanksgiving 4, thanksgivings 2 NAS Verse Count Acts 1 1 Corinthians 1 2 Corinthians 3 Ephesians 1 Philippians 1 Colossians 2 1 Thessalonians 1 1 Timothy 3 Revelation 2 Total 15
As you know this is also a loan word brough into the Peshitta, so same meanings. Now let's look at the Scripture:
Php 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to Elohim.
This is the typical usage. EUCHARIST is not some insititutionalized thing--but merely the simple action of giving thanks to YHWH at a meal. That's it. And we know the apostles met for communal meals, including just after Shabbat, with something called "havdilah" (Acts 20:7). Let's look at some other examples:
1Co 14:16 Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the"Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying?
Now we are getting more specific. You see this is an expected part of the believer's sacred routine and the people doing this are both of Jewish and Gentile descent. Let's do a little more with the same word in a different form:
Mt 15:36
and He took the seven loaves and the fish; and giving thanks, He broke them and started giving them to the disciples, and the disciples {gave them} to the people.
Mt 26:27
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave {it} to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you...".
In both cases in the Greek, the word is Eucharisteo, and here we see the precise context I spoke of, the blessing of thanks to YHWH at regular and sacred meals. Matti 26:27 is of course at the Passover Seder known as the Last Supper, a fact also confirmed by Rav Shaul:
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.
And also here:
NAS Verse Count Greek Word: Eujcaristevw Transliterated Word: eucharisteo
Ac 27:35 And having said this, he took bread and gave thanks to Elohim in the presence of all; and he broke it and began to eat.
Ac 28:15 And the brethren, when they heard about us, came from there as far as the Market of Appius and Three Inns to meet us; and when Paul saw them, he thanked Elohim and took courage.
So basically any occasion that the believers go together for and broke bread was in fact a EUCHARIST. That could therefore be a Shabbat meal, or one on the first day of the week (I would say after sunset on Saturday night) or it can be a major holiday like Passover. All these occasions in the Torah and the NT require believers to GIVE THANKS (eucharist) to YHWH for their salvation.
Finally, from a Nazarene viewpoint, Y'shua's life is a living example of all the Torah holidays. He was born between Yom Kippur and the start of Sukkot, representing a sin-offering-qorban (Matti 1:21), and that means he was conceived as the Light of the World 9 months earlier, in Hanukkah (the Festival of Lights). In fact there is a huge hint to this fact in what I call "the third nativity" in John. Of course he dies as the Paschal lamb and is resurrected on Bikurrim (first fruits) to be firstfruits from among the dead.
So on the one hand everyone 2000 years ago was in the habit of giving thanks as part of their sacred practice. On the other hand, the Torah observant Nazarenes had most certainly found the ancient occasions of Israel pregnant with new meaning and symbolism due to the example of their Master. Both dynamics are clearly going on in the Holy Writ.
Hope this helps!
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth