A Theory of History

[Yochanan5730]

Shalom, Sh'lema, Sh'lama, Hola, Aloha, hiya, peace <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: -->
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In looking at these things I have come to the conclusion that the primacy of which one came first is of no dire consequence.
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In Yeshua,
Z???ev Yochanan
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Just one note to your post dear brother in Mshikha. Does that mean that you have found no differences between Peshitta and Greek mess which would have practical, pastoral consequences (or theological, as those sooner or later will bear some practicalities)?

Peace,
Jerzy

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by gbausc on Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:14 am

Akh Yochanan,

You are an Aramaic primacist and don't know it.

You wrote:

So it seems to me, that while Aramaic may have been the first language in which these things were written, the Greek certainly followed right there it its footsteps,

Who here among us Peshitta primacists would disagree with that statement? I certainly would not!

"Aramaic first"; "Greek followed"! That's Aramaic primacy, my brother.

Burkta b'Alahan w'b'Meshikha!

Dave

Shalomie homies <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->

i am hoping to answer both replies with one post, though my brain is on "fried" at the moment... been up for a couple of days... i am hyperkenetic <!-- s:onfire: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/onfire.gif" alt=":onfire:" title="On Fire" /><!-- s:onfire: --> i cant seem to shut my brain off once a subject gets in, and it will keep me up all night sometimes, even when i try to ignore it lol

anyhoo...

it has been in recent months that i have been really researching the comparisons between Greek and Aramaic. to me, the primacy issue has seemed to be one about which is supreme or better than the other. it is to this idea that their is no dire consequence. as to which came first, like i said, i would certainly admit to the Aramaic, but i do not consider one better than the other. i also said that they compliment one another. now this pertains only to as far as i have gotten in my research. (admittedly... not too far)

as to the practical, pastoral consequences (or theological, as those sooner or later will bear some practicalities), if your question pertains to what i think it does, a person's point of view can pretty much do that on its own despite what language a thing is written in. i know this first hand. being Hebrew, of a Conservative Jewish background, i would look to the Tenakh with a conservative's learning and acceptance of the doctrines and interpretations given to me by my Rabbis. as a messianic, i look at those very same scriptures and no longer see what they had taught me, but the Mashi'ach. they're the same scriptures, just a different point of view. believe me, the varied differences in doctrine and teaching between east and west could have happened even if there was only Aramaic writings and no such thing as the greek. having said that, lol, what i have found so far, though, is that there are some differences, but nothing that, in my opinion, would work against the general teaching of the Gospel. this is "so far". the main differences i have thus far found are words the aramaic doesn't have that the greek does have. and these i appreciate. the aramaic, in some cases so far, use expressions i find much deeper in meaning, like: "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Gk) as "Blessed are the cultivators of peace" (Ar). being a cultivator of peace has much more depth of heart to me than being merely a peacemaker. a peacemaker merely stops a conflict, a cultivater helps it to grow and brings it to maturity <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> maybe i just contradicted myself about the differences pertaining to doctrine and such <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/huh.gif" alt="" title="Huh" /><!-- s --> lol i am learning... <!-- s:eh: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eh.gif" alt=":eh:" title="Eh" /><!-- s:eh: -->

believe it or not, every single thing posted here in response to my initial post has been covered in my research (though Paul has brought up some interesting things). like i said, the arguments go in both directions. much of what has been said, look in the opposite view of. and though i dont know the exact wording to their refuting of the questions by them, they were refuted by the greek primacists. i suppose that i am either too lazy or complacent to make a real choice in the matter. and the fact that the greek primacists have some convincing arguments as well, doesn't help in such a choice. ultimately, i'm an english primacist, not being fluent in Aramaic, lacking much grammatical understanding, and not knowing a lick of Greek either, doesn't much help in the matter. as i am researching and learning, things will develope and change. but as far as style and class <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> ... it's the Aramaic <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->

Dave, i am looking into getting a copy of your prose translation <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> i'm a poet myself and love literary work, that's why i'm an english primacist (*wink).

Albion, what were saddles made of? <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> who made the saddles? <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> (i know i'm a smartmouthed brat sometimes <!-- s:crazy: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/crazy.gif" alt=":crazy:" title="Crazy" /><!-- s:crazy: --> , but i love ya, bro <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="" title="Happy" /><!-- s --> ) though they may have been called "Saddlemakers", they didn't just make Saddles, they also made tents, the romans used leather for their tents as well. another name for them is "Leather Workers" <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s -->
Much Love and Blessings in Yeshua,
Z'ev Yochanan