A Question For Torah Keeping Messianics

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Shlama Akhi,

Oh, were His disciples Jewish? Thanks for the info.

Even so, according to you, His Jewish disciples did not see "all these things" -v. 33, which He said they would.

You refuse to deal with the facts I have presented very carefully and instead resort to name calling, which is a tactic used by someone losing an argument.
Evolutionists call Creationists "flat earthers", as if that should intimidate them into shutting up. You sound like an unbeliever when you resort to their tactics.

You wrote:

Yes, many of the Jews believed that the world would indeed end and Olam HaBa would be immediately ushered in but that obviously did not happen. Some words and phrases must be understood in the light of historical fact.

No, we cannot trust to what we think is obvious. "Obviously" men are not born of virgins, walk on water, raise the dead or rise from the dead, yet the church proclaims that a Man did these things, and His disciples did some of these things as well. If Yeshua destroyed the old creation and made it new by His atonement and resurrection, we would not know it apart from His word- "we walk by faith, not by sight" .(2 Cor. 5:7)

According to Yeshua's words, the Kingdom of God was to arrive and displace the Old Order, as a result of His death and resurrection in the first century.
We are to proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, as Paul did :
(Acts 28:30 ?? And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Lu 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go and preach the kingdom of God.

I close with a very literal translation of 2 Cor. 5:

(for you) Nwkl (we are conventional) Nnynqt (& if) Naw (it is for God) ahlal (we are insane) Nnyjs (for) ryg (if) Na 13

For if we are insane, it is for God, and if we are conventional, it is for you.

(us) Nl (compels) Ula (of The Messiah) axysmd (for) ryg (the love) hbwx 14
(died) tym (every person) snlk (in the place of) Plx (that One) dxd (this) adh (that we reason) Nnynrd
(with Him) hl (died) tym (every person) snlk (so then) Nydm

For the love of The Messiah compels us to reason this: The One died in the place of every person, so then every person
died with Him.

(who live) Nyyxd (that those) Nylyad (died) tym (He) wh (every person) snlk (& in the place of) Plxw 15
(for The One) whl (but) ala (would live) Nwxn (for themselves) Nwhspnl (not) al
(& arose) Mqw (died) tym (their persons) Nwhypa (Who for) led (Who) anya

And He died in the place of every person that those who live would live, not for themselves, but for Him Who died for
them and arose.

(we know) Nnyedy (not) al (by the body) rgpb (a person) snal (we) Nnx (& from now) lykmw 16
(The Messiah) axysml (in the body) rgpb (we have known) Nedy (& if) Naw
(we know) Nnyedy (not) al (now) ash (from) Nm (but) ala

And from now on we do not know anyone by the body, and if we have known The Messiah by the body, from now on we
do not so know Him.

(is) wh (which in The Messiah) axysmbd (that) Nm (all) lk 17
(new) atdx (is) wh (the creation) atyrb (therefore) lykh
(with such) Nyhl (has passed away) rbe (the old order) atqyte

All that is in The Messiah is therefore the New Creation; the old order has passed away with these things.

(God) ahla (from) Nm (new) atdx (has become) awh (thing) Mdm (& every) lkw 18
(us) Nl (& He has given) bhyw (by The Messiah) axysmb (to Himself) hl (Who reconciled us) Nyerd (He) wh
(of the reconciliation) atwertd (the ministry) atsmst

And everything has become new from The God Who has reconciled us with Himself by The Messiah and He has given
us the ministry of the reconciliation.

This is the message we are to proclaim, and I am proclaiming it. It is the Gospel.

Blessings from "the insane" in the New Order,


Dave