01-17-2008, 06:19 PM
Well, couple of things Akhi Dave.
Firstly, I would appreciate if you do not simplify my arguments or put words in my mouth. I never said any scripture is "worthless", this is the first time I'm hearing that phrase in this or any other thread. I would certainly never say anything remotely like that. In fact, I said the opposite - I said having a written record is important in some ways, otherwise if I didn't feel that way this website wouldn't exist. Those were my words verbatim.
Secondly, my response was to your words, verbatim, that we "lack the benefit of belief in, and the Divine wisdom of that God written book." My question was, and still is, what benefit or Divine wisdom are we lacking by not holding to the canonicity of Jude or Revelation?
Your response seems to be a quote from the Epistle of Paul to Timothy.
I'm sure you are aware that this epistle to Timothy was written before the book of Revelation was penned. Certainly, the Apostle wasn't thinking about Jude or Revelation at a time when these books were not yet penned. More likely than not, Paul was referring to the Old Testament.
Nevertheless, the Apostle is correct: All scripture is profitable for a variety of reasons. That's why I said that having a record is important in some ways....those ways.
What I said, and what I still hold to, is that there's nothing outside of the 22-book Eastern Canon that is missing from within those 22 books, and within the OT. These truths are contained within the OT, Gospels and the (universally agreed upon) epistles.
Once again, before Revelation was penned, we already knew about the end of the world, the final battle, the Kingdom of Heaven, even the Antichrist. We didn't get those ideas from Revelation - they were already there.
So let me ask, once again: In your words, we are somehow missing some divine wisdom and the benefits thereof. How so?
Firstly, I would appreciate if you do not simplify my arguments or put words in my mouth. I never said any scripture is "worthless", this is the first time I'm hearing that phrase in this or any other thread. I would certainly never say anything remotely like that. In fact, I said the opposite - I said having a written record is important in some ways, otherwise if I didn't feel that way this website wouldn't exist. Those were my words verbatim.
Secondly, my response was to your words, verbatim, that we "lack the benefit of belief in, and the Divine wisdom of that God written book." My question was, and still is, what benefit or Divine wisdom are we lacking by not holding to the canonicity of Jude or Revelation?
Your response seems to be a quote from the Epistle of Paul to Timothy.
I'm sure you are aware that this epistle to Timothy was written before the book of Revelation was penned. Certainly, the Apostle wasn't thinking about Jude or Revelation at a time when these books were not yet penned. More likely than not, Paul was referring to the Old Testament.
Nevertheless, the Apostle is correct: All scripture is profitable for a variety of reasons. That's why I said that having a record is important in some ways....those ways.
What I said, and what I still hold to, is that there's nothing outside of the 22-book Eastern Canon that is missing from within those 22 books, and within the OT. These truths are contained within the OT, Gospels and the (universally agreed upon) epistles.
Once again, before Revelation was penned, we already knew about the end of the world, the final battle, the Kingdom of Heaven, even the Antichrist. We didn't get those ideas from Revelation - they were already there.
So let me ask, once again: In your words, we are somehow missing some divine wisdom and the benefits thereof. How so?