12-19-2007, 12:51 AM
Shlama Shamasha Ashur,
I thought I answered this one, but let me restate it:
What keeps our churches from discussing these issues is a prerequisite on the part of the EO that Theodore/Diodore/Nestorius be condemned by the CoE, and that the CoE recognize Ephesus as a council binding on all Christians.
We don't mind speaking with anyone. I think we've demonstrated that by humbling ourselves and traveling to Rome to sign the CCD in 1994.
At least the Latins didn't have any preconditions to starting these (thankfully, now defunct) negotiations. Trust me, we've learned a very good lesson from that monumental mistake.
Negotiations aren't negotiations if there are pre-existing conditions attached to them....before they even start.
http://www.roca.org/bishop_john.htm
Do you consider the EO missions at Urmia and Salamas, along with the consecration of a bishop (John and Yonan) of the CoE to the EO fold, a sign of respect?
The irony is that the same Church complaining today about any potential Papal visit to mother Russia, because of all the proselytizing that Rome has historically been involved in among the EO.....is the same Church that, itself, was guilty of the same exact thing.
When has the CoE ever sent missions to Rome or Constantinople or St. Petersburg in order to convert already baptized believers ???
No, we don't do any such thing. That's because we respect your apostolic authority. We obviously don't enjoy that same respect. Rather, we are labeled as "heretics."
I think if you seriously contemplate these things, you will know exactly what I'm talking about and stop trying to sweeten an already sour situation. I wish your world-view was shared by your fellows in the EO, however do a word count of "heretic" in the link above and you'll see exactly how they feel about us.
I wasn't born yesterday dude, we are well aware of where we stand with all the rest of Christendom. But like I said, that's fine with us. M'shikha will decide on Yoma d'Nukhama whether our isolation was justified, or not.
aalkhas Wrote:My concern is what keeps our churches from discussing these issues.
I thought I answered this one, but let me restate it:
What keeps our churches from discussing these issues is a prerequisite on the part of the EO that Theodore/Diodore/Nestorius be condemned by the CoE, and that the CoE recognize Ephesus as a council binding on all Christians.
We don't mind speaking with anyone. I think we've demonstrated that by humbling ourselves and traveling to Rome to sign the CCD in 1994.
At least the Latins didn't have any preconditions to starting these (thankfully, now defunct) negotiations. Trust me, we've learned a very good lesson from that monumental mistake.
Negotiations aren't negotiations if there are pre-existing conditions attached to them....before they even start.
aalkhas Wrote:When did the EO not respect COE authority in its own land?
http://www.roca.org/bishop_john.htm
Do you consider the EO missions at Urmia and Salamas, along with the consecration of a bishop (John and Yonan) of the CoE to the EO fold, a sign of respect?
The irony is that the same Church complaining today about any potential Papal visit to mother Russia, because of all the proselytizing that Rome has historically been involved in among the EO.....is the same Church that, itself, was guilty of the same exact thing.
When has the CoE ever sent missions to Rome or Constantinople or St. Petersburg in order to convert already baptized believers ???
No, we don't do any such thing. That's because we respect your apostolic authority. We obviously don't enjoy that same respect. Rather, we are labeled as "heretics."
I think if you seriously contemplate these things, you will know exactly what I'm talking about and stop trying to sweeten an already sour situation. I wish your world-view was shared by your fellows in the EO, however do a word count of "heretic" in the link above and you'll see exactly how they feel about us.
I wasn't born yesterday dude, we are well aware of where we stand with all the rest of Christendom. But like I said, that's fine with us. M'shikha will decide on Yoma d'Nukhama whether our isolation was justified, or not.