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John 19:19 (YHWH?)
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Dawid Wrote:Pardon me. I should not have said "exclusively." The point is that it is not proper Aramaic.
I am largely copying from "A New Look at the Language Jesus Spoke." You are right about that.

Improper Aramaic?

Do you see a gloss in Luke 22:15 in the Aramaic of the Peshitta?

Any need for the author to explain to his Aramaic readership this improper infinitive absolute followed by a finite verb to convey emphasis?

It is very common in Aramaic, and very proper indeed.

The author of "A New Look at the Language Jesus Spoke" should have a new look at the evidence. There's no Hebrew in "Tlitha Qumi", "Eli, Eli lamana Shbaqthani", "Ephphatha", "Raqa", "Mammona", "Qurbana", "Kepha", etc. No way, shape or form.

I brought up Yiddish-from-German in this thread precisely because the relation of Jewish-Aramaic to Standard-Aramaic is roughly comparable to the relation of Yiddish-to-German, although the differences between Jewish-Aramaic and Standard-Aramaic was a lot less marked.

Yes, you will find an occasional Hebrew nuance in the Aramaic of Meshikha or the disciples, in which case you normally find a gloss in the Aramaic NT (to standardize the Aramaic.) "Golgotha" is a good example of this. Standard Aramaic is Qarqiptha, Judeo-Aramaic is Golgotha. "Khaqel-Dam" is another example where the Peshitta glosses to standard Aramaic to explain.

Neither is Hebrew, both are Judeo-Aramaic.
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John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by distazo - 12-02-2007, 04:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by gbausc - 12-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-12-2007, 03:54 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 04:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-14-2007, 08:59 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-14-2007, 09:01 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by brantana - 12-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:09 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by *Albion* - 12-15-2007, 01:25 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-15-2007, 02:47 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-15-2007, 02:48 AM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Andrew Gabriel Roth - 12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-17-2007, 04:49 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-17-2007, 09:45 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 12:22 AM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 12:31 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Karl - 12-19-2007, 01:42 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:55 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:54 AM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 04:27 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:38 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 11:48 AM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 12:24 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 07:11 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 07:49 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:03 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 09:06 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:32 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by yaaqub - 12-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 09:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2007, 10:54 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Dawid - 12-20-2007, 11:36 PM
Re: John 19:19 (YHWH?) - by Paul Younan - 12-21-2007, 03:39 AM
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