05-26-2005, 06:44 AM
Heh, what's a matter Paul, am I hitting too close to home on your friend here with the truth?
What's a matter guys, does truth hurt here? Every one of those questions was truth, complete truth guys. What has all this lobbying done so far for this so-called war against the greek? Has GOD been moved to hold your loving language up as "the" standard in HIS churches?
The answer to these questions is very, very little and no.
Look over those questions, every one of them was completely valid here.
The problem with this is that you guys, both of you guys being educated, refuse to face this fact that I point out. Both of you guys refuse to face the fact that GOD is directing all these things, and has directed it from the beginning, and that what HE currently uses was no mistake on HIS part.
HE takes complete and full responsibility for the usage of the greek in HIS churches instead of the syriac.
And what is a matter Paul, are you attempting to pin a racial guilt upon me? Am I the one so distraunt over the so-called reinventing of this semitic man of GOD into a greek "Christ" that you just have to change the language no matter what? You admitted this to us on here, your major ambition in the translation of this, even the website itself was to change this because you "felt" this was completely wrong.
Again, GOD still accepts total responsibility for the usage of the greek in HIS born-again churches yet you and others think that it was some anti-semitic plot by the church of Christ to use greek instead of some semitic language.
I'm not the racial one here buddy, nor will I allow your particular brand of racism to make me feel guilty over anything. Try another angle here buddy, that one won't work. There is no condemnation for those with Christ.
By the way, if you pay attention to that "feminine" aspect I was pointing out about The Spirit in the old testament, way back when, you will see my total attention to questioning the whole aspect from the new testament view. Do I go about from that point on calling The Holy Spirit a female?
Do I Paul? Read it up, I was very careful about what I was saying.
The answer is No, but you want to hold that over my head as if I considered The Holy Spirit a female from that point on. I pointed out the collected evidence for you and your syriac langauge to clarify, but you and it was unable to. It was interesting to see how the syriac was taking additional measures to point out gender whilst the greek would remain neutral, which at some points, was to it's advantage.
Debate? Didn't the Apostle Paul say that debates were useless? And what is this pride you have here in this little sentence? Are you really that great Paul? Didn't HE say that HE would use the weak to confound the wise? I think your overstating yourself here and you should do like Dave needs to do, look at yourself some before you speak like that to people.
I threaten you because I ask those questions that you don't like, I go in the places the others won't with those questions.
I ask those questions that demand an account from you and others and your completely unable to provide an answer because it would hurt your pride, and also those ambitions that you have completed have you backed in a corner, even if you wanted to be honest about it.
You know those questions are completely valid, yet you and your buddy Dave still stick to your guns with this primacy thing, doing things outside of the will of GOD, actually thinking that your doing HIM some sort of justice when HE could care less about it. Yes, the translation of this is of use to do comparison to the greek, but that is as far as it goes. The base will be the greek in accordance with what HE has established for centuries already, and anyone smart enough would never mess with what HE has established unless they have a commission directly from HIM, to do so.
Where is the fire of The Holy Spirit in this syriac language? Where is the faith from the first century Apostles at in this when I read it? Where is the strength in this?
There is none. There is no witness of The Holy Spirit when I read this particular translation, but let me break open a greek or old latin based translation of old, and boom, there is the presence of The Holy Spirit dropping down in the room as I read it out loud. The closer the manuscript was to the original, the greater the witness. I've had it happen with the bezae text, I had it happen with the leige manuscript, etc. HE is the witness, not some language because it is a language. That is as childish in thought as can be when it comes to the things of GOD. You never pursue something without getting the answer directly from HIM with multiple witnesses. You just don't no matter what thoughts may run in your mind, you pursue it in prayer until you have the direct revelation from HIM, that you know that you know that you know, from within. That, is the way you allow HIM to direct your path when it comes to HIS will.
By the way Paul, why would this translation be a burden so heavy that you couldn't stand it anymore? Jesus's burden is light, why is this happening? Hmmm, maybe you are not called to do such a thing? I know that would be hard to swallow looking at your background and your upbringing, but maybe GOD does not trust your heart?
And what about you Paul? I have questioned Dave on his so-called signs and wonders that Jesus said His followers would be exibiting on a regular basis, what about you Paul? I freely admit to such things, they are a regular occurance at various points in my walk with Him, what about you?
Yea, why not, let's go there. Are you born again Paul, do you have those things happening that Jesus said would be happening or are you just another catholic appearing as a born-again Christian? Let's hear your confession of faith here. I freely give mine, let's hear some proof from you. Jesus is Lord in my heart and The Holy Spirit arrived within me quite a few years ago, what about you Paul?
Why do I ask? Because I feel you living behind something that your not. You hate the word Christian yet you should be proud of it. If Jesus lived in your heart, culturistic differences would never be a part of you, and you certainly wouldn't be making things up to pin some sort of guilt upon me or anyone else.
Come on Paul, let's hear when you was born anew. What did you do to experience this new birth? What did you say? Let's hear your personal experience the day that you gave your heart to Jesus. I will gladly share my experience with you of that day back on January 3 1992, at 3:30 in the morning. Mine was very, very dramatic, satan basically pleaded with me not to accept Christ. Let's hear about yours.
What's a matter guys, does truth hurt here? Every one of those questions was truth, complete truth guys. What has all this lobbying done so far for this so-called war against the greek? Has GOD been moved to hold your loving language up as "the" standard in HIS churches?
The answer to these questions is very, very little and no.
Look over those questions, every one of them was completely valid here.
The problem with this is that you guys, both of you guys being educated, refuse to face this fact that I point out. Both of you guys refuse to face the fact that GOD is directing all these things, and has directed it from the beginning, and that what HE currently uses was no mistake on HIS part.
HE takes complete and full responsibility for the usage of the greek in HIS churches instead of the syriac.
And what is a matter Paul, are you attempting to pin a racial guilt upon me? Am I the one so distraunt over the so-called reinventing of this semitic man of GOD into a greek "Christ" that you just have to change the language no matter what? You admitted this to us on here, your major ambition in the translation of this, even the website itself was to change this because you "felt" this was completely wrong.
Again, GOD still accepts total responsibility for the usage of the greek in HIS born-again churches yet you and others think that it was some anti-semitic plot by the church of Christ to use greek instead of some semitic language.
I'm not the racial one here buddy, nor will I allow your particular brand of racism to make me feel guilty over anything. Try another angle here buddy, that one won't work. There is no condemnation for those with Christ.
By the way, if you pay attention to that "feminine" aspect I was pointing out about The Spirit in the old testament, way back when, you will see my total attention to questioning the whole aspect from the new testament view. Do I go about from that point on calling The Holy Spirit a female?
Do I Paul? Read it up, I was very careful about what I was saying.
The answer is No, but you want to hold that over my head as if I considered The Holy Spirit a female from that point on. I pointed out the collected evidence for you and your syriac langauge to clarify, but you and it was unable to. It was interesting to see how the syriac was taking additional measures to point out gender whilst the greek would remain neutral, which at some points, was to it's advantage.
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Debate? Didn't the Apostle Paul say that debates were useless? And what is this pride you have here in this little sentence? Are you really that great Paul? Didn't HE say that HE would use the weak to confound the wise? I think your overstating yourself here and you should do like Dave needs to do, look at yourself some before you speak like that to people.
I threaten you because I ask those questions that you don't like, I go in the places the others won't with those questions.
I ask those questions that demand an account from you and others and your completely unable to provide an answer because it would hurt your pride, and also those ambitions that you have completed have you backed in a corner, even if you wanted to be honest about it.
You know those questions are completely valid, yet you and your buddy Dave still stick to your guns with this primacy thing, doing things outside of the will of GOD, actually thinking that your doing HIM some sort of justice when HE could care less about it. Yes, the translation of this is of use to do comparison to the greek, but that is as far as it goes. The base will be the greek in accordance with what HE has established for centuries already, and anyone smart enough would never mess with what HE has established unless they have a commission directly from HIM, to do so.
Where is the fire of The Holy Spirit in this syriac language? Where is the faith from the first century Apostles at in this when I read it? Where is the strength in this?
There is none. There is no witness of The Holy Spirit when I read this particular translation, but let me break open a greek or old latin based translation of old, and boom, there is the presence of The Holy Spirit dropping down in the room as I read it out loud. The closer the manuscript was to the original, the greater the witness. I've had it happen with the bezae text, I had it happen with the leige manuscript, etc. HE is the witness, not some language because it is a language. That is as childish in thought as can be when it comes to the things of GOD. You never pursue something without getting the answer directly from HIM with multiple witnesses. You just don't no matter what thoughts may run in your mind, you pursue it in prayer until you have the direct revelation from HIM, that you know that you know that you know, from within. That, is the way you allow HIM to direct your path when it comes to HIS will.
By the way Paul, why would this translation be a burden so heavy that you couldn't stand it anymore? Jesus's burden is light, why is this happening? Hmmm, maybe you are not called to do such a thing? I know that would be hard to swallow looking at your background and your upbringing, but maybe GOD does not trust your heart?
And what about you Paul? I have questioned Dave on his so-called signs and wonders that Jesus said His followers would be exibiting on a regular basis, what about you Paul? I freely admit to such things, they are a regular occurance at various points in my walk with Him, what about you?
Yea, why not, let's go there. Are you born again Paul, do you have those things happening that Jesus said would be happening or are you just another catholic appearing as a born-again Christian? Let's hear your confession of faith here. I freely give mine, let's hear some proof from you. Jesus is Lord in my heart and The Holy Spirit arrived within me quite a few years ago, what about you Paul?
Why do I ask? Because I feel you living behind something that your not. You hate the word Christian yet you should be proud of it. If Jesus lived in your heart, culturistic differences would never be a part of you, and you certainly wouldn't be making things up to pin some sort of guilt upon me or anyone else.
Come on Paul, let's hear when you was born anew. What did you do to experience this new birth? What did you say? Let's hear your personal experience the day that you gave your heart to Jesus. I will gladly share my experience with you of that day back on January 3 1992, at 3:30 in the morning. Mine was very, very dramatic, satan basically pleaded with me not to accept Christ. Let's hear about yours.