05-25-2005, 03:15 AM
This is funny really.
You need to read more up on the Waldensians and what was used in the King James version more. Here is a sniplet:
I can readily admit I was wrong here, I said 5, they say 6, ok so I was wrong. Here is the website:
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Come on Dave, do you just ignore truth and realism and throw some scripture out there to justify yourself whilst condeming another, than be done with it, all in the attempt to ignore what someone says????
And what is that statement from you about prosperity suppose to mean? Do you really want to call the workings of The Holy Spirit of satan??
Don't you realize how GOD works through HIS people? Are you saying that GOD does not prosper HIS people and have HIS hand fully involved in directing those who desire to do HIS will for them??
You must be joking, right Dave?
Do you even realize the scripture texts that you post at times?
"Blessed are ye, when men shall hate thee,"
Hello here, ya when mankind hates you, IE hates the Christian, the set-apart/Holy one, not when that very person of GOD is chastising you and others for your wrong doings and your incorrect ways.
Let me buy you a clue here Dave, I'm not a part of mankind anymore there buddy, as if you didn't know.
So how would this scripture apply to me other than it saying that by you hating me and the truth I bring forth, that it would thereby place you as a part of mankind? Your obviously quite aware of my full reliance upon GOD for HIS will, my born-again experience that I shove in your face and others whenever possible, I'm also sure that you know that I claim the presence of The Holy Spirit living inside of me with the witness of languages (tongues) following, exactly like the first century Christians went through, in word and deed, like the scriptures say. The reliance on the Blood of Jesus for salvation, the baptism afterwards in the name of The Lord Jesus, what else is there that you need to know that I went through to understand how that I was bought and paid for by Jesus? Do you want to watch me speak in tongues sometime? You tell me, what part of "I'm born anew" do you not understand from me?
Look up that word Abba in an israeli dictionary and you will find it says "a father unto HIS own people." Not a father unto everyone else, just those who HE has saved, just like it says at the end of acts chapter 2, those who were being saved or given life as the syriac text says. The term "saved" or delivered is more descriptive of the old testament prophecy, hence explains why GOD would choose to witness to it in the greek rather than the syriac term.
So how would you assume that I would be a part of mankind unless you have never experienced that set-apart experience for yourself in your life and you do not have that royal blood running in your veins. It has to be for you to have such a blantantly wrong usage of the scriptures towards me and others at times, especially for you to call GOD's prosperity of satan.
Hmmmm, just how much has this bland translation made inroads into GOD's church here Dave? Who is using this besides the non-Spirit filled church's? It would seem that the only ones really making any use of it are the ones that want to continue to live under the law, the messianic judaiser types. The ones that believe that the law was not removed, when in fact, GOD nailed it upon the cross. They seem to be the majority that want to follow this. And you know what, they can just keep on following it, it's not like they are concerned with anything except themselves and their so-called culturistic inheritance at times, surely not anything that GOD needs. You certainly don't hear GOD speaking through them.
I think that when you made your statement about prosperity, you were stating your unbelief in how GOD works through HIS people on a daily basis. Do you really think that the furtherance of the greek scriptures were a complete and utter mistake, a turn of events designed by mankind, that GOD had no hand in the outcome of it whatsoever? Do you believe that Dave? That GOD had no hand in HIS own word and how it would get to HIS people? That GOD would have just hid it away for years from HIS own people?
Is that what you mean when you say that prosperity is of satan? Maybe that you have no movement of GOD on a daily basis in your life so why would anyone else? That statement out of you is interesting in many ways Dave. Are you stating your unbelief in this?
Tell me here Dave, what has happened with all these syriac translations thus far? Let's have an account here. Have they transformed HIS church now that they are out there for everyone to see and use? Come on, you can tell me here, have they been uplifted and held as "the" standard in HIS church now? They are now fully out there for use. You know the answer in this. They died out as soon as they were finished, sometimes faster than that, in the case of Victor Alexanders. Shoot, Paul didn't even get his finished on here. Explain that to me and others Dave?! "My burden is light" yet Paul had to get away from it because he was unable to stand it anymore. That is not the talk of someone commissioned by GOD to do this sort of thing, and definitely Paul would have had more claim to fame on this because of his upbringing and knowledge in the language, yet his translation appears to have died out also. He, of all people, was trying to be honest in the translation I believe instead of promoting their bias in it, from what I can tell.
Come on Dave, where is this big awakening that Lamsa and others hoped for when they brought this out??
Where are all the proceeds from this also? Where are all the big lines of people wanting to buy a brand spanking new syriac translation bible here in America buddy? I mean let's get real here Dave, shall we? Where are they at?
Need I go further for you Dave? That is the truth there Dave, that is the realism of it, and that is GOD fully standing against this culturistic infiltration by satan. HE wants something strong for HIS people not something weak of the world, and you won't find that needed fire in this syriac translation, no matter how exact or in what format someone puts it in.
I've seen people go out of their way to lie about this and that because of their bias, to make things out of it that wasn't, such as the drash hypothesis of Paul's, to hide it under the format of the King James like Lamsa, etc., and steadily The Holy Spirit is not mocked.
I need a new handbook huh? Don't worry, GOD is working on this through me at the moment, but it is not just for me. Also, when a person is commissioned for their calling, they will have everything that they need for their job at hand, and it will be provided by The Lord.
Believe me, you can bet your bankroll on this buddy, GOD will provide something new for HIS people, but only because someone reached up in prayer asking for it, and HE answered them by utilizing a person with the heart that HE required for such a work, elsewise, HE would continue to progress with the standard that HE currently utilizes.
I'm surprised at you Dave, you read what GOD speaks through me at times yet you call HIS prosperity of satan, that was not wise.
You need to read more up on the Waldensians and what was used in the King James version more. Here is a sniplet:
Quote:Waldensian influence, both from the Waldensian Bibles and from Waldensian relationships, entered into the King James translation of 1611. Referring to the King James translators, one author speaks thus of a Waldensian Bible they used:
It is known that among modern versions they consulted was an Italian, and though no name is mentioned, there cannot be room for doubt that it was the elegant translation made with great ability from the original Scriptures by Giovanni Diodati, which had only recently (1607) appeared at Geneva. (Dr. Benjamin Warfield, Princeton Univ., Collection of Opinions and Reviews, Vol. 2, p. 99.)
It is therefore evident that the translators of 1611 had before them four Bibles which had come under Waldensian influences: the Diodati in Italian, the Olivetan in French, the Lutheran in German, and the Genevan in English. We have every reason to believe that they had access to at least six Waldensian Bibles written in the old Waldensian vernacular.
I can readily admit I was wrong here, I said 5, they say 6, ok so I was wrong. Here is the website:
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Come on Dave, do you just ignore truth and realism and throw some scripture out there to justify yourself whilst condeming another, than be done with it, all in the attempt to ignore what someone says????
And what is that statement from you about prosperity suppose to mean? Do you really want to call the workings of The Holy Spirit of satan??
Don't you realize how GOD works through HIS people? Are you saying that GOD does not prosper HIS people and have HIS hand fully involved in directing those who desire to do HIS will for them??
You must be joking, right Dave?
Do you even realize the scripture texts that you post at times?
"Blessed are ye, when men shall hate thee,"
Hello here, ya when mankind hates you, IE hates the Christian, the set-apart/Holy one, not when that very person of GOD is chastising you and others for your wrong doings and your incorrect ways.
Let me buy you a clue here Dave, I'm not a part of mankind anymore there buddy, as if you didn't know.
So how would this scripture apply to me other than it saying that by you hating me and the truth I bring forth, that it would thereby place you as a part of mankind? Your obviously quite aware of my full reliance upon GOD for HIS will, my born-again experience that I shove in your face and others whenever possible, I'm also sure that you know that I claim the presence of The Holy Spirit living inside of me with the witness of languages (tongues) following, exactly like the first century Christians went through, in word and deed, like the scriptures say. The reliance on the Blood of Jesus for salvation, the baptism afterwards in the name of The Lord Jesus, what else is there that you need to know that I went through to understand how that I was bought and paid for by Jesus? Do you want to watch me speak in tongues sometime? You tell me, what part of "I'm born anew" do you not understand from me?
Look up that word Abba in an israeli dictionary and you will find it says "a father unto HIS own people." Not a father unto everyone else, just those who HE has saved, just like it says at the end of acts chapter 2, those who were being saved or given life as the syriac text says. The term "saved" or delivered is more descriptive of the old testament prophecy, hence explains why GOD would choose to witness to it in the greek rather than the syriac term.
So how would you assume that I would be a part of mankind unless you have never experienced that set-apart experience for yourself in your life and you do not have that royal blood running in your veins. It has to be for you to have such a blantantly wrong usage of the scriptures towards me and others at times, especially for you to call GOD's prosperity of satan.
Hmmmm, just how much has this bland translation made inroads into GOD's church here Dave? Who is using this besides the non-Spirit filled church's? It would seem that the only ones really making any use of it are the ones that want to continue to live under the law, the messianic judaiser types. The ones that believe that the law was not removed, when in fact, GOD nailed it upon the cross. They seem to be the majority that want to follow this. And you know what, they can just keep on following it, it's not like they are concerned with anything except themselves and their so-called culturistic inheritance at times, surely not anything that GOD needs. You certainly don't hear GOD speaking through them.
I think that when you made your statement about prosperity, you were stating your unbelief in how GOD works through HIS people on a daily basis. Do you really think that the furtherance of the greek scriptures were a complete and utter mistake, a turn of events designed by mankind, that GOD had no hand in the outcome of it whatsoever? Do you believe that Dave? That GOD had no hand in HIS own word and how it would get to HIS people? That GOD would have just hid it away for years from HIS own people?
Is that what you mean when you say that prosperity is of satan? Maybe that you have no movement of GOD on a daily basis in your life so why would anyone else? That statement out of you is interesting in many ways Dave. Are you stating your unbelief in this?
Tell me here Dave, what has happened with all these syriac translations thus far? Let's have an account here. Have they transformed HIS church now that they are out there for everyone to see and use? Come on, you can tell me here, have they been uplifted and held as "the" standard in HIS church now? They are now fully out there for use. You know the answer in this. They died out as soon as they were finished, sometimes faster than that, in the case of Victor Alexanders. Shoot, Paul didn't even get his finished on here. Explain that to me and others Dave?! "My burden is light" yet Paul had to get away from it because he was unable to stand it anymore. That is not the talk of someone commissioned by GOD to do this sort of thing, and definitely Paul would have had more claim to fame on this because of his upbringing and knowledge in the language, yet his translation appears to have died out also. He, of all people, was trying to be honest in the translation I believe instead of promoting their bias in it, from what I can tell.
Come on Dave, where is this big awakening that Lamsa and others hoped for when they brought this out??
Where are all the proceeds from this also? Where are all the big lines of people wanting to buy a brand spanking new syriac translation bible here in America buddy? I mean let's get real here Dave, shall we? Where are they at?
Need I go further for you Dave? That is the truth there Dave, that is the realism of it, and that is GOD fully standing against this culturistic infiltration by satan. HE wants something strong for HIS people not something weak of the world, and you won't find that needed fire in this syriac translation, no matter how exact or in what format someone puts it in.
I've seen people go out of their way to lie about this and that because of their bias, to make things out of it that wasn't, such as the drash hypothesis of Paul's, to hide it under the format of the King James like Lamsa, etc., and steadily The Holy Spirit is not mocked.
I need a new handbook huh? Don't worry, GOD is working on this through me at the moment, but it is not just for me. Also, when a person is commissioned for their calling, they will have everything that they need for their job at hand, and it will be provided by The Lord.
Believe me, you can bet your bankroll on this buddy, GOD will provide something new for HIS people, but only because someone reached up in prayer asking for it, and HE answered them by utilizing a person with the heart that HE required for such a work, elsewise, HE would continue to progress with the standard that HE currently utilizes.
I'm surprised at you Dave, you read what GOD speaks through me at times yet you call HIS prosperity of satan, that was not wise.