04-07-2004, 03:45 AM
...there's no need to be sad. I think perhaps you are misunderstanding us.
Let's take these one at a time.
1) Verses that say Y'shua has a divine qnoma and a human qnoma.
First off, it should hardly be necessary to prove he has a human qnoma, since he was human. The issue is whether he also had a divine qnoma, sitting seaprately and side by side with his human qnoma.
The answer: John 5:26, which I quoted earlier for you and will do so again now:
"Just as the Father has life in his qnoma, so He has granted the son to have life in his (the Son's) qnoma..."
Now I stop here for a moment to say this: What follows is proof that the qnoma being referenced is not human but divine:
"...and He has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man."
Now drash with me (I mean compare) these two verses:
See I am sending my angel (same word in Hebrew means "messenger") ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and do what he says. Do not rebel against him, he will not forgive your rebellion, for My NAME is in him.
Exodus 23:20-22
So, to be given YHWH's personal name imparts YHWH's power, which creates an occurrence of his divine nature, or divine qnoma.
This is the ONLY ANGEL/MESSENGER with the Name YHWH attached to him. All other angels are called EL--this one is called YAH--which is why the the Son of Man's name is superior to the angels. Here is the second verse:
Father, keep them by the power of YOUR NAME, THE SAME NAME YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, that they may be one, even as we are one.
John 17:11
Once again also I refer to you to John 4 and the living water teaching. He who drinks the physical water will thirst again. But he who dirinks of the water Messiah has will have a spring welling up for eternal life. That spring/living water, is the occurrence of the divine nature, which is confirmed here:
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may PARTAKE OF THE DIVINE KYANNA (NATURE) AND ESCAPE THE CORRUPTION IN THE WORLD CAUSED BY EVIL DESIRES.
2 Peter 1:3-4
Even though 2 Peter is not preserved or canonized by the Church of the East, they refer to it as a pious work free of doctrinal error. I believe this work is inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not canonical. In this case, the Aramaic--even though it may be translational though I hope a semitic original may still be out there somewhere--makes it very clear that through Y'shua we partake of the divine nature--and this is also solid NT doctrine. And since you believe it is canonical, its words to you Dave are in fact binding and fit for reproof and correction.
2) "YHWH's blood"...
Here is what I think you miss Akhi. YHWH has blood, but that blood is not His own. Bear with me. These verses are from <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.crosswalk.com">http://www.crosswalk.com</a><!-- m --> and show my point:
Ex 9:29 - Show Context
And Moses said unto him, As soon as I am gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands unto the LORD; and the thunder shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that thou mayest know how that the earth is the LORD'S.
De 10:14 - Show Context
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
Ps 24:1 - Show Context
The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
1Co 10:26 - Show Context
For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof
So everything and everyone in the earth is YHWH's including, our lives, and our blood. Do you understand? If not, look here:
Le 17:11 - Show Context
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
This is what we call a QORBANA, or offering. Since all belongs to YHWH, this blood also belongs to YHWH, but YHWH does not have blood flowing through His veins! Re-read 1 Corinthians 11:27 in this light and see if it does not make more sense.
3) Zechariah 12:10
First thing, is to compare it to this verse:
A shoot will come up fromt he stump of Jesse; from his roots a branch will bear fruit. The spirit of YHWH will rest on him: The spirit of wisdom and insight, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and fear of YHWH, and he will delight in the fear of YHWH.
Isaiah 11:1-2
This "Spirit of YHWH" is also called "The Holy Spirit" in Tanakh (Isaiah 63:1-11, Psalm 51:1-11) and the "spirit of truth" and "Holy Spirit" in the NT. YHWH is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is what begats Messiah--more proof that the divine qnoma is in him--since he breaths the Holy Spirit back out on to his disciples (John 20:22)!
Now, getting into Zechariah 12:10 YHWH is pierced because the divine qnoma is draped in Messiah's flesh and the flesh is pierced. (et asher dakaru-they shall look upon Me, whom they have pierced), but the next phrase proves my point: "and they shall mourn for HIM as if he were a YACHID son."
If YHWH is pierced, why are they mourning for a man? Answer: Because the man was the one who was really pierced and he dies because of it (Isaiah 53:8). YHWH is pierced only in the sense of the proximity to the divine qnoma, and metaphorically, YHWH often uses images of pain to describe how He feels, including that of a mother giving birth, (Isaiah 66:12-13). YHWH cannot bleed because YHWH cannot die!
Furthermore YACHID is an exclusive singularity in Hebrew that has no compund unity context. So YACHID means "utterly unique; once for all time and never again", etc. That means, further, that Messiah is the only human who ever has, did or will have an occurrence of the divine nature in him. The rest of us have to approach the divine nature through him to be reconciled. More than any other verse, this one was respionsible for making me believe in Y'shua, and I have looked at it for almost 30 years and know what the Hebrew really says.
Therefore Acts 20:28 as "blood of Elohim" is incorrect. YHWH has blood from His creation, but He himself does not bleed.
Hope this helps!
Let's take these one at a time.
1) Verses that say Y'shua has a divine qnoma and a human qnoma.
First off, it should hardly be necessary to prove he has a human qnoma, since he was human. The issue is whether he also had a divine qnoma, sitting seaprately and side by side with his human qnoma.
The answer: John 5:26, which I quoted earlier for you and will do so again now:
"Just as the Father has life in his qnoma, so He has granted the son to have life in his (the Son's) qnoma..."
Now I stop here for a moment to say this: What follows is proof that the qnoma being referenced is not human but divine:
"...and He has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man."
Now drash with me (I mean compare) these two verses:
See I am sending my angel (same word in Hebrew means "messenger") ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and do what he says. Do not rebel against him, he will not forgive your rebellion, for My NAME is in him.
Exodus 23:20-22
So, to be given YHWH's personal name imparts YHWH's power, which creates an occurrence of his divine nature, or divine qnoma.
This is the ONLY ANGEL/MESSENGER with the Name YHWH attached to him. All other angels are called EL--this one is called YAH--which is why the the Son of Man's name is superior to the angels. Here is the second verse:
Father, keep them by the power of YOUR NAME, THE SAME NAME YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, that they may be one, even as we are one.
John 17:11
Once again also I refer to you to John 4 and the living water teaching. He who drinks the physical water will thirst again. But he who dirinks of the water Messiah has will have a spring welling up for eternal life. That spring/living water, is the occurrence of the divine nature, which is confirmed here:
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may PARTAKE OF THE DIVINE KYANNA (NATURE) AND ESCAPE THE CORRUPTION IN THE WORLD CAUSED BY EVIL DESIRES.
2 Peter 1:3-4
Even though 2 Peter is not preserved or canonized by the Church of the East, they refer to it as a pious work free of doctrinal error. I believe this work is inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not canonical. In this case, the Aramaic--even though it may be translational though I hope a semitic original may still be out there somewhere--makes it very clear that through Y'shua we partake of the divine nature--and this is also solid NT doctrine. And since you believe it is canonical, its words to you Dave are in fact binding and fit for reproof and correction.
2) "YHWH's blood"...
Here is what I think you miss Akhi. YHWH has blood, but that blood is not His own. Bear with me. These verses are from <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.crosswalk.com">http://www.crosswalk.com</a><!-- m --> and show my point:
Ex 9:29 - Show Context
And Moses said unto him, As soon as I am gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands unto the LORD; and the thunder shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that thou mayest know how that the earth is the LORD'S.
De 10:14 - Show Context
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
Ps 24:1 - Show Context
The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
1Co 10:26 - Show Context
For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof
So everything and everyone in the earth is YHWH's including, our lives, and our blood. Do you understand? If not, look here:
Le 17:11 - Show Context
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
This is what we call a QORBANA, or offering. Since all belongs to YHWH, this blood also belongs to YHWH, but YHWH does not have blood flowing through His veins! Re-read 1 Corinthians 11:27 in this light and see if it does not make more sense.
3) Zechariah 12:10
First thing, is to compare it to this verse:
A shoot will come up fromt he stump of Jesse; from his roots a branch will bear fruit. The spirit of YHWH will rest on him: The spirit of wisdom and insight, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and fear of YHWH, and he will delight in the fear of YHWH.
Isaiah 11:1-2
This "Spirit of YHWH" is also called "The Holy Spirit" in Tanakh (Isaiah 63:1-11, Psalm 51:1-11) and the "spirit of truth" and "Holy Spirit" in the NT. YHWH is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is what begats Messiah--more proof that the divine qnoma is in him--since he breaths the Holy Spirit back out on to his disciples (John 20:22)!
Now, getting into Zechariah 12:10 YHWH is pierced because the divine qnoma is draped in Messiah's flesh and the flesh is pierced. (et asher dakaru-they shall look upon Me, whom they have pierced), but the next phrase proves my point: "and they shall mourn for HIM as if he were a YACHID son."
If YHWH is pierced, why are they mourning for a man? Answer: Because the man was the one who was really pierced and he dies because of it (Isaiah 53:8). YHWH is pierced only in the sense of the proximity to the divine qnoma, and metaphorically, YHWH often uses images of pain to describe how He feels, including that of a mother giving birth, (Isaiah 66:12-13). YHWH cannot bleed because YHWH cannot die!
Furthermore YACHID is an exclusive singularity in Hebrew that has no compund unity context. So YACHID means "utterly unique; once for all time and never again", etc. That means, further, that Messiah is the only human who ever has, did or will have an occurrence of the divine nature in him. The rest of us have to approach the divine nature through him to be reconciled. More than any other verse, this one was respionsible for making me believe in Y'shua, and I have looked at it for almost 30 years and know what the Hebrew really says.
Therefore Acts 20:28 as "blood of Elohim" is incorrect. YHWH has blood from His creation, but He himself does not bleed.
Hope this helps!
Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth
Andrew Gabriel Roth