04-22-2014, 02:09 PM
godparticle ; you said,
"Now as for Hebrew, prior to Abram being called out of Ur by YHWH, it was the language of an ?unholy? and pagan people. I say Pagan, because anyone outside of a covenantal relationship with YHWH is called such. Abram became holy (sanctified) when YHWH set him apart to make from him a people all his own. So, do you think the Old Testament was written in Hebrew because the language was holy and YHWH?s choice from heaven, or because that was the language spoken by the people YHWH called (Israel), and subsequently, the language of their offspring?
YHWH has no need of a written language except that man cannot receive special revelation from him without it. Therefore, he communicates to us through written language (in addition to creation), and when he does, he uses the language of the recipient. Otherwise, had Israel not already known Hebrew, they and all their offspring would have had to learn a uniquely new, previously non-existant language created just for the OT, before they could understand what YHWH was saying. But of course, simple reason, logic and a little history (not to mention common sense) tell us this is not the case."
my response :
Lets go back to Noah. What language did he speak. I say it is much like the case with Abram in his earlier day. The giants had caused men to stack the iniquity so high that surely Adam's language had been lost by Naoh's day. And you have brought up and interesting question concerning language. Surely as the Father created mankind both male and female (Ch.1) then clearly in chapter two it says that when he made man, He also made A MAN and breathed in him his spirit making him living, so then, it would be evident that this Set-Apart man was indeed set apart in every way, whose, language then becomes the question. Remeber YHWH tells him to name everything. Thats would seem indicate a hint. Noah comes along and the earth is filled with the enemy who has attacked The Set Apart EVERYTHING and in EVERY way. Now to Abram...yes I agree the set apart language is lost, however, if we do not approach truth with pure intent, we will not see the truth, and therefore have no truth. I believe that it is highly possible that Aramaic could be the lost Hebrew or a dialect of it and Ill tell you why:
Scripture. Its that simple. Not just a part of The Scripture rather the whole of it. Yeshua said his words would never die. Aramaic was spoken by The Messiah!! This means that HE chose the who what when where why how of ALL that He does and it includes language. Now, Aramaic being highly descriptive, and used by Him to convey what is impossible for man to convey alone, then I say He meant every definition to every word He spoke as He spoke eternally. Which stands to reason why he chose Aramaic. And now at the end of time we have access to it again (A Spirit-Love filled shout out to AGR and TEAM-THANK YOU!! You all, are indeed here for such a time as this, thank you!)
I just want to add that I have come across a distinct difference between the KJV (and the rest) and the AENT. Profound differences actually. REVELATION 22:16 And I just want to say that there are people out there without the AENT or at least a concordance, that are saying Jesus is Lucifer. Here is what I say about that because it does have something to do with language:
Yes, the Messiah is stating pedigree and that all is His even before Lucifer tried taking it, but Yeshua is also revealing His glory in this statement. The KJV is but partially correct and therefore it is misleading to those without the AENT or at least a Concordance. Not only does the primacy lie with the Aramaic (translated directly to English), but the Greek (KJV NT) is also corrupt with pagan doctrine. There are over 600 mistranslations in the NT some of which were strategically implanted (some versus came from thin air) to support pagan ideology, ie: The trinity doctrine and cross and Sunday, etc. In essence AND according to the AENT, the Messiah is saying, "behold I AM and I make all things new." In this He reveals His Glory and Victory. As the KJV says "I Je-sus...am the bright and morning star." (no caps) The NIV says, " I Jesus...the bright Morning Star." (caps); ESV says, "I, Jesus...the bright morning star." None of these translations from Greek are specific nor are they accurately depicting His message. The AENT says, "I Y'shua...am like the splendid star of the morning." Again this is a glimpse into what/who He is and how he is victorious. He maketh all things new, renewing man and the universe. He is also stepping into or taking on and showing His role, His Title as The Word of YHWH.
With all this in mind, we can see that Lucifer immediately went to work on Cain, even replacing the language he had known. In order to trade with those 'in the world', Cain would have to. If we also study the history of the Canaanites and Phoenicians, we can see the exact pattern that Lucifer has used since the fall of man, to bring down the connection between YHWH and man (us).
I have come across important information(s) and am working on compiling everything for the hopes of a book that will include this very topic.
"Now as for Hebrew, prior to Abram being called out of Ur by YHWH, it was the language of an ?unholy? and pagan people. I say Pagan, because anyone outside of a covenantal relationship with YHWH is called such. Abram became holy (sanctified) when YHWH set him apart to make from him a people all his own. So, do you think the Old Testament was written in Hebrew because the language was holy and YHWH?s choice from heaven, or because that was the language spoken by the people YHWH called (Israel), and subsequently, the language of their offspring?
YHWH has no need of a written language except that man cannot receive special revelation from him without it. Therefore, he communicates to us through written language (in addition to creation), and when he does, he uses the language of the recipient. Otherwise, had Israel not already known Hebrew, they and all their offspring would have had to learn a uniquely new, previously non-existant language created just for the OT, before they could understand what YHWH was saying. But of course, simple reason, logic and a little history (not to mention common sense) tell us this is not the case."
my response :
Lets go back to Noah. What language did he speak. I say it is much like the case with Abram in his earlier day. The giants had caused men to stack the iniquity so high that surely Adam's language had been lost by Naoh's day. And you have brought up and interesting question concerning language. Surely as the Father created mankind both male and female (Ch.1) then clearly in chapter two it says that when he made man, He also made A MAN and breathed in him his spirit making him living, so then, it would be evident that this Set-Apart man was indeed set apart in every way, whose, language then becomes the question. Remeber YHWH tells him to name everything. Thats would seem indicate a hint. Noah comes along and the earth is filled with the enemy who has attacked The Set Apart EVERYTHING and in EVERY way. Now to Abram...yes I agree the set apart language is lost, however, if we do not approach truth with pure intent, we will not see the truth, and therefore have no truth. I believe that it is highly possible that Aramaic could be the lost Hebrew or a dialect of it and Ill tell you why:
Scripture. Its that simple. Not just a part of The Scripture rather the whole of it. Yeshua said his words would never die. Aramaic was spoken by The Messiah!! This means that HE chose the who what when where why how of ALL that He does and it includes language. Now, Aramaic being highly descriptive, and used by Him to convey what is impossible for man to convey alone, then I say He meant every definition to every word He spoke as He spoke eternally. Which stands to reason why he chose Aramaic. And now at the end of time we have access to it again (A Spirit-Love filled shout out to AGR and TEAM-THANK YOU!! You all, are indeed here for such a time as this, thank you!)
I just want to add that I have come across a distinct difference between the KJV (and the rest) and the AENT. Profound differences actually. REVELATION 22:16 And I just want to say that there are people out there without the AENT or at least a concordance, that are saying Jesus is Lucifer. Here is what I say about that because it does have something to do with language:
Yes, the Messiah is stating pedigree and that all is His even before Lucifer tried taking it, but Yeshua is also revealing His glory in this statement. The KJV is but partially correct and therefore it is misleading to those without the AENT or at least a Concordance. Not only does the primacy lie with the Aramaic (translated directly to English), but the Greek (KJV NT) is also corrupt with pagan doctrine. There are over 600 mistranslations in the NT some of which were strategically implanted (some versus came from thin air) to support pagan ideology, ie: The trinity doctrine and cross and Sunday, etc. In essence AND according to the AENT, the Messiah is saying, "behold I AM and I make all things new." In this He reveals His Glory and Victory. As the KJV says "I Je-sus...am the bright and morning star." (no caps) The NIV says, " I Jesus...the bright Morning Star." (caps); ESV says, "I, Jesus...the bright morning star." None of these translations from Greek are specific nor are they accurately depicting His message. The AENT says, "I Y'shua...am like the splendid star of the morning." Again this is a glimpse into what/who He is and how he is victorious. He maketh all things new, renewing man and the universe. He is also stepping into or taking on and showing His role, His Title as The Word of YHWH.
With all this in mind, we can see that Lucifer immediately went to work on Cain, even replacing the language he had known. In order to trade with those 'in the world', Cain would have to. If we also study the history of the Canaanites and Phoenicians, we can see the exact pattern that Lucifer has used since the fall of man, to bring down the connection between YHWH and man (us).
I have come across important information(s) and am working on compiling everything for the hopes of a book that will include this very topic.