03-22-2014, 11:51 PM
?There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.? William Shakespeare?s Hamlet.
I?m grateful for the body of evidence highlighting Aramaic primacy, beginning with the fact that Yahshua spoke Aramaic to the people he visited around 2,000 years ago. Yahshua?s oral testimony that came from his heart, in harmony with the Father, is the first layer of primacy for the gospel. So the new testament began with words spoken by Yahshua. From there it was given to those with ears to hear, and then into written language, and then into translations throughout the world -- people routinely find there is abundant meaning in the Greek translations, including even mathematical meaning (see for example the works of John Michell).
If you search you'll find mathematical meaning in the Aramaic original, as I love to highlight when the opportunity is presented. Some examples:
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The Father is just that awesome that He can encode different layers of meaning across languages and cultures and theories and doctrines and interpretations and experiences. He can make any counted hair on your head meaningful (Matthew 10:30) if needed to enhance your journey. And we see this across cultures and languages throughout the bible, where for example He hardens the Pharaoh?s heart (Exodus 4:21), or writes that special language on the wall (Daniel 5:25), or prophecies through the high priest without his knowledge (John 11:51), or fulfills prophecy through the actions of Roman soldiers without their knowledge (John 19:24), etc.
Just imagine what our Father the mathematician, the artist, the writer, the Lord, has accomplished through the Greek language!
Studying Aramaic is awesome if you make it awesome. Studying Greek can be awesome too if you make it so. ?Then he touched their eyes and said, ?As you have believed it will be to you.?? Matthew 9:29.
Students of the original gospel benefit greatly while training their eyes with Peshitta (Matthew 6:22). My personal experience is that Peshitta brings a fulfillment for me that I cannot find in translations, and it corrects errors in translations.
With regard to the integrity of the Peshitta, this website provides ample discussion of hard evidence. For example, you can learn about the letter-counting system of the ancient scribes, and the resistance of the Church of the East to outside influence that bred translations. You can read how ancient Aramaic survives to this day mostly unchanged (even where different dialects understand one another). You can read David Bauscher?s interlinear and commentary on the 1st Century Peshitto, as he chronicles some thousand different Aramaic & Greek evidentiary matters pointing toward Aramaic primacy and distinguishing Greek primacy. It?s evidence you add up -- if you use it for beneficial purposes, so be it to you. Or if you discard it, then you have a different journey. Simple. Who wants to bite the heels of men on a peaceful journey?
Now, I wasn?t going to respond to your original post gp (especially because others stepped up) but I want to respond to a follow-up post you made telling researchers to repent. Really? For reading ancient codices in the language spoken by the messiah, you call faithful men you don?t know to repentance?
A really important thing we learn as we mature in the patience and endurance of the messiah is that life is full of saga and mystery, and each person is given a personalized journey. If the Father wanted Aramaic primacy or Greek awesomeness to be crystal clear on the face of the earth, he would have made it so (just as he could write the torah in the sky for all to see if He desired). Instead, He has chosen saga and discernment for us. The Father tests us, and creates tasks just complicated enough so we learn to train and build our logical minds. Without struggle of brain and body we become weak and subject to easy manipulation. When we overcome tribulation and logical tests however, well, I?ll let you search for the Aramaic wordplay in Matthew 7:13 that discusses the straight door.
You?re allowed to feel grateful for the experience and information shared by the Aramaic tradition. You might find there are more things in heaven and earth, gp, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. We all do. When we take time to reflect, we all feel humbled by the unknowns of scripture, science, psychology, etc ? it feels like every year that passes we change and learn and grow. From Babylon to Persia to Greece to Rome ? who on earth isn?t routinely speaking a language out of Babylon? Who follows messiah and speaks from the treasure of a benevolent heart?
And at the end of each day filled with errors and sagas, we hope to grow toward the Father and be forgiven as we forgive others. The Pharisees and Saducees et al felt they actually knew the Father because they read the oldest scrolls and knew some temple Hebrew. They accused people too. But then Yahshua came humbly, from a little place called Galilee, and he walked with common people (sinners) and spoke of a language that comes from the heart. His story resonates with people. You can speak from your heart in any language you like.
When you read Aramaic and you see the beauty of this language, and parallelisms, and wordplays, and even the mathematical meanings, and you want to share your experience with others who are also dedicated to learning, that is a cool thing that builds community and respect.
I hope you?ll enjoy your visit here and that you?ll continue to learn about the beautiful language that Yahshua used to express his loving heart ? that is the real primacy.
I?m grateful for the body of evidence highlighting Aramaic primacy, beginning with the fact that Yahshua spoke Aramaic to the people he visited around 2,000 years ago. Yahshua?s oral testimony that came from his heart, in harmony with the Father, is the first layer of primacy for the gospel. So the new testament began with words spoken by Yahshua. From there it was given to those with ears to hear, and then into written language, and then into translations throughout the world -- people routinely find there is abundant meaning in the Greek translations, including even mathematical meaning (see for example the works of John Michell).
If you search you'll find mathematical meaning in the Aramaic original, as I love to highlight when the opportunity is presented. Some examples:
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The Father is just that awesome that He can encode different layers of meaning across languages and cultures and theories and doctrines and interpretations and experiences. He can make any counted hair on your head meaningful (Matthew 10:30) if needed to enhance your journey. And we see this across cultures and languages throughout the bible, where for example He hardens the Pharaoh?s heart (Exodus 4:21), or writes that special language on the wall (Daniel 5:25), or prophecies through the high priest without his knowledge (John 11:51), or fulfills prophecy through the actions of Roman soldiers without their knowledge (John 19:24), etc.
Just imagine what our Father the mathematician, the artist, the writer, the Lord, has accomplished through the Greek language!
Studying Aramaic is awesome if you make it awesome. Studying Greek can be awesome too if you make it so. ?Then he touched their eyes and said, ?As you have believed it will be to you.?? Matthew 9:29.
Students of the original gospel benefit greatly while training their eyes with Peshitta (Matthew 6:22). My personal experience is that Peshitta brings a fulfillment for me that I cannot find in translations, and it corrects errors in translations.
With regard to the integrity of the Peshitta, this website provides ample discussion of hard evidence. For example, you can learn about the letter-counting system of the ancient scribes, and the resistance of the Church of the East to outside influence that bred translations. You can read how ancient Aramaic survives to this day mostly unchanged (even where different dialects understand one another). You can read David Bauscher?s interlinear and commentary on the 1st Century Peshitto, as he chronicles some thousand different Aramaic & Greek evidentiary matters pointing toward Aramaic primacy and distinguishing Greek primacy. It?s evidence you add up -- if you use it for beneficial purposes, so be it to you. Or if you discard it, then you have a different journey. Simple. Who wants to bite the heels of men on a peaceful journey?
Now, I wasn?t going to respond to your original post gp (especially because others stepped up) but I want to respond to a follow-up post you made telling researchers to repent. Really? For reading ancient codices in the language spoken by the messiah, you call faithful men you don?t know to repentance?
A really important thing we learn as we mature in the patience and endurance of the messiah is that life is full of saga and mystery, and each person is given a personalized journey. If the Father wanted Aramaic primacy or Greek awesomeness to be crystal clear on the face of the earth, he would have made it so (just as he could write the torah in the sky for all to see if He desired). Instead, He has chosen saga and discernment for us. The Father tests us, and creates tasks just complicated enough so we learn to train and build our logical minds. Without struggle of brain and body we become weak and subject to easy manipulation. When we overcome tribulation and logical tests however, well, I?ll let you search for the Aramaic wordplay in Matthew 7:13 that discusses the straight door.
You?re allowed to feel grateful for the experience and information shared by the Aramaic tradition. You might find there are more things in heaven and earth, gp, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. We all do. When we take time to reflect, we all feel humbled by the unknowns of scripture, science, psychology, etc ? it feels like every year that passes we change and learn and grow. From Babylon to Persia to Greece to Rome ? who on earth isn?t routinely speaking a language out of Babylon? Who follows messiah and speaks from the treasure of a benevolent heart?
And at the end of each day filled with errors and sagas, we hope to grow toward the Father and be forgiven as we forgive others. The Pharisees and Saducees et al felt they actually knew the Father because they read the oldest scrolls and knew some temple Hebrew. They accused people too. But then Yahshua came humbly, from a little place called Galilee, and he walked with common people (sinners) and spoke of a language that comes from the heart. His story resonates with people. You can speak from your heart in any language you like.
When you read Aramaic and you see the beauty of this language, and parallelisms, and wordplays, and even the mathematical meanings, and you want to share your experience with others who are also dedicated to learning, that is a cool thing that builds community and respect.
I hope you?ll enjoy your visit here and that you?ll continue to learn about the beautiful language that Yahshua used to express his loving heart ? that is the real primacy.