10-14-2011, 05:54 AM
Thanks Jeremy, I just learned something new. <!-- s
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So, even though Andrew goes with the Eastern reading in the English translation on the left page of his work, he has the western reading of the same verse to the right...wow. Interesting. I have the 1st edition as well...and need the 4th, but at 60 bucks...its kind of a bite. Ouch.
And looks like another verse is added to the list, where the Western Peshitto version differs with the Eastern Peshitta Text.
And speaking of that verse in Hebrews 2:16...here is an analysis of the differant English translation versions I have here:
Eastern Peshitta reading:
Etheridge: - For not from the angels he took [Men malakee nasab], but from the seed of Abraham he took.
Murdoch: - For he did not assume [a nature] from angels, but he assumed [a nature] from the seed of Abraham.
Roth: 1st Ed - For he did not assume (an immortal manifestation) from Messengers, but he assumed (a mortal manifestation) from the seed of Awraham.
Lamsa: - For he did not take on him the pattern of angels; but he did take on him the seed of Abraham.
Magiera: - For he did not assume [a nature] from the angels, but he assumed death from the seed of Abraham.
And these all, in their Eastern Peshitta readings, agrees with what is found in the ancient Greek, Latin and Coptic versions.
KJV: - For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Majority: - For indeed He does not take hold of angels, but He does take hold of the seed of Abraham.
Sinai: - For surely not angels does he succor, but the posterity of Abraham he succors.
Vulg: - For at no time did he take hold of the Angels, but instead he took hold of the offspring of Abraham.
Copt: - For he was not laying hold on the angels, but he is laying hold on the seed of Abraham.
Western Peshitto reading:
Bauscher - For death was not authorized over the Angels, but death was authorized over the seed of Abraham.
Very strange reading there in the Western Peshitto version...
Dave, if you are still reading this thread, I have a question....if the Western Peshitto is the Original Apostolic Text in all its readings as you maintain, and that the Greek was thus translated from it, rather than the Eastern Peshitta Text...then why is this reading not found in the ancient Greek texts, nor the Latin, nor the Copt? Have you checked this verse to see if other witnesses can be found for it outside of the Western Peshitto? I haven't checked the Apostolic Fathers quotations yet for this verse, but plan on it, as soon as I can.
Blessings,
Chuck
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And looks like another verse is added to the list, where the Western Peshitto version differs with the Eastern Peshitta Text.
And speaking of that verse in Hebrews 2:16...here is an analysis of the differant English translation versions I have here:
Eastern Peshitta reading:
Etheridge: - For not from the angels he took [Men malakee nasab], but from the seed of Abraham he took.
Murdoch: - For he did not assume [a nature] from angels, but he assumed [a nature] from the seed of Abraham.
Roth: 1st Ed - For he did not assume (an immortal manifestation) from Messengers, but he assumed (a mortal manifestation) from the seed of Awraham.
Lamsa: - For he did not take on him the pattern of angels; but he did take on him the seed of Abraham.
Magiera: - For he did not assume [a nature] from the angels, but he assumed death from the seed of Abraham.
And these all, in their Eastern Peshitta readings, agrees with what is found in the ancient Greek, Latin and Coptic versions.
KJV: - For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Majority: - For indeed He does not take hold of angels, but He does take hold of the seed of Abraham.
Sinai: - For surely not angels does he succor, but the posterity of Abraham he succors.
Vulg: - For at no time did he take hold of the Angels, but instead he took hold of the offspring of Abraham.
Copt: - For he was not laying hold on the angels, but he is laying hold on the seed of Abraham.
Western Peshitto reading:
Bauscher - For death was not authorized over the Angels, but death was authorized over the seed of Abraham.
Very strange reading there in the Western Peshitto version...
Dave, if you are still reading this thread, I have a question....if the Western Peshitto is the Original Apostolic Text in all its readings as you maintain, and that the Greek was thus translated from it, rather than the Eastern Peshitta Text...then why is this reading not found in the ancient Greek texts, nor the Latin, nor the Copt? Have you checked this verse to see if other witnesses can be found for it outside of the Western Peshitto? I haven't checked the Apostolic Fathers quotations yet for this verse, but plan on it, as soon as I can.
Blessings,
Chuck