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Peshitta Tanakh and Dead Sea Scrolls
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As we all know, first century Israel spoke Aramaic. Peshitta Tanakh is first century Old Testament written in Aramaic. But Dead Sea scrolls seem to contradict the first century history of Israel, because around 80% of scrolls are written in Hebrew. And others in Aramaic and in Greek.

Most of the Dead Sea Scrolls are usually dated from 250 BC to 135 AD.

Through the testimony of Josephus, we read about the rarity of a Jew speaking Greek in first century AD.

Jewish Historian Josephus wrote ?

"I have also taken a great deal of pains to obtain the learning of the Greeks, and understand the elements of the Greek language, although I have so long accustomed myself to speak our own tongue, that I cannot pronounce Greek with sufficient exactness; for our nation does not encourage those that learn the languages of many nations, and so adorn their discourses with the smoothness of their periods; because they look upon this sort of accomplishment as common, not only to all sorts of free-men, but to as many of the servants as please to learn them. But they give him the testimony of being a wise man who is fully acquainted with our laws, and is able to interpret their meaning; on which account, as there have been many who have done their endeavors with great patience to obtain this learning, there have yet hardly been so many as two or three that have succeeded therein, who were immediately well rewarded for their pains." Antiquities of Jews XX, XI

Jewish Wars (Book 1, Preface, Paragraph 1) - "I have proposed to myself, for the sake of such as live under the government of the Romans, to translate those books into the Greek tongue, which I formerly composed in the language of our country, and sent to the Upper Barbarians. Joseph, the son of Matthias, by birth a Hebrew, a priest also, and one who at first fought against the Romans myself, and was forced to be present at what was done afterwards, [am the author of this work]."

Unlike Peshitta Tanakh, I believe Dead Sea Scrolls are not reliable in terms of antiquity, because Essenes are usually given the authorship for Dead Sea Scrolls.

The problem is Essenes were famous for their continuing use of old, worn materials, as shown by Josephus in Jewish Wars Book 2. For Example, Essenes replace neither clothes nor footwear until the old set is ripped all over or worn through with age (Jewish Wars Book 2, 126).

This could mean that Essenes held that an ancient parchment, manufactured many years before, was venerable and suited for the recording of their inspired writings. The date of manufacture could be 100 years or more before the date of composition of the contents. It is quite fallacious to say that the date of composition was the same as the date of manufacture.

The presence of Greek among Dead Sea Scrolls also makes Dead Sead Scrolls less reliable in terms of antiquity since we read about the rarity of a Jew speaking Greek in first century. So Dead Sea Scrolls could have written on ancient scrolls around late 2nd century AD or later since Aramaic was the language spoken in Israel in first century AD and also early second century AD (till 130 AD).
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#2
konway87 wrote
Quote:So Dead Sea Scrolls could have written on ancient scrolls around late 2nd century AD or later
Some of them could be forgery especially knowing in whose hands they are now.
Many eyes are waiting for them to be released. Hah. About 70 years passed and they are still locked from people.
Some say that they are afraid to demonstrate them because they will show corruption
of the Masoretic text in relation to prophesies about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God Allmighty.
As for me, I do not wait when the antichrist will reveal them to people.
No trust in DSS.
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IPOstapyuk Wrote:konway87 wrote
Quote:So Dead Sea Scrolls could have written on ancient scrolls around late 2nd century AD or later
Some of them could be forgery especially knowing in whose hands they are now.
Many eyes are waiting for them to be released. Hah. About 70 years passed and they are still locked from people.
Some say that they are afraid to demonstrate them because they will show corruption
of the Masoretic text in relation to prophesies about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God Allmighty.
As for me, I do not wait when the antichrist will reveal them to people.
No trust in DSS.

The Rothschilds? <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/wink1.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

+Shamasha
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#4
I thought I should show some of the inner politics that oppose the importance of Aramaic.

Famous Israeli Archaeologist Yigael Yadin who received Ph.D for his researches on Dead Sea Scrolls noticed this shift from Aramaic to Hebrew through his researches. In "Bar Kokhba: The rediscovery of the legendary hero of the last Jewish Revolt Against Imperial Rome" Yigael Yadin notes, "It is interesting that the earlier documents are in Aramaic while the later ones are in Hebrew. Possibly the change was made by a special decree of Bar-Kokhba who wanted to restore Hebrew as the official language of the state" (page 181).

We see that it was Bar Kokhba (also known as False Messiah) who wanted to restore Hebrew as the official language. His inner intentions "may" have been to replace Aramaic (the language of Yeshua Meshikha) with Hebrew so that he can establish himself as the messiah through Hebrew language.

Let us look at what Yadin says on page 124 of his book on Bar Kokhba:

"The first thing that struck us was that for no apparent reason some of the letters were written in Aramaic and some in Hebrew. Jews at that period were versed in both languages, yet since most of the letters were in Aramaic, possibly Hebrew had just lately been revived by a Bar-Kokhba decree. I remembered that when I showed the letters to Mr. Ben-Gurion, then the Prime Minister, only the Aramaic documents had yet been opened. "Why did they write in Aramaic and not Hebrew?" was his immediate angry reaction, as if the scribes had been members of his staff."

Ben-Gurion was angry to be exposed to archeological evidence that Jews in the late first and early second century (and obviously earlier) spoke Aramaic. It didn't fit in with his fantasies about the past. We should be careful about letting ethnic pride distort the facts of history.

Most of the above infos came from this website -

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Paul Younan wrote:
Quote:The Rothschilds?
I do not mean Rothschilds but what I mean is
Jews who have been destroying Christianity since its early dawn until
present - the antichrist.

Bar Kokhba did coins in paleo hebrew letters as it is heard.
Looks like he wanted real restoration of Israel.
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#6
I agree with you about Bar Kokhba making coins in paleo hebrew letters. Bar Kokhba also minted coins for the purpose of honoring Hasmoneans and National Liberation.

What is so important with Peshitta Tanakh is the fact that no one in first century AD Israel used Old Hebrew as a spoken language. The High Priests only used Old Hebrew for religious purposes. But Dead Sea Scrolls try to give the false impression that Hebrew was the common language of first century AD. But New Testament and the testimony of Josephus easily crush this idea and also decrease the importance of Dead Sea Scrolls.

Aside from Judith, Tobit, Jewish Wars Book Six, Sirach, and 4 books of Maccabees, It is also highly possible that the Peshitta Tanakh contain the original of books like Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Zechariah, Haggai, Malachi since they were written after 587 BC. Book of Jonah and Book of Nahum "may" have been originally written in Aramaic since these books have to do with prophecies on the city of Nineveh.
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When looking at NT text, looks like spoken language was Aramaic.
But here are solid arguments too:
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I believe those infos are written by Frank Luke and Noah Snyder who are somewhat Anti-Aramaic. Their "inner" intentions are to eliminate the importance of Aramaic by using so called evidences from scientists who are Greek primacists.

Most of the evidences they state are laughable. For Example, Frank Luke claims Mishnaic Hebrew as the common language of the land.

But in the New Testament, we clearly see that Aramaic was the only spoken language among Jews in first century AD. If there was any possibility of Hebrew being used as a spoken language in first century AD, then Jerusalem would have been the first choice. This is because Jerusalem is center of Judaism. But we know that all inhabitants spoke Aramaic in Jerusalem.

I am sure you read this before. But I am writing so that everyone can read it.

But Luke clearly states this:

Acts 1:19 - "And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood."

"Akel dama" is Greek transliteration of Aramaic words "Khqel Dama."

We clearly see "Field of Blood" was called "Khqel Dama" by all the inhabitants of Jerusalem in their own language which is Aramaic.

If I translate aramaic words "Khqel Dama" into Hebrew, then "Khqel Dama" will become "Sh'deh Hadam."

Through this, we can read that all inhabitants of Jerusalem spoke in their own language in first century AD which was Aramaic. If Hebrew was used as spoken language in first century Israel, then "Sh'deh Hadam" would have been mentioned along with "Khqel Dama" (a.k.a akel dama in Greek and English NT) in Acts 1:19.

Here is the link to Acts Chapter 1 (Hebrew translation from Greek)
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You will see "s'deh Hadam" at the end of Acts 1:19. To match the words, see S'deh (Green color) and Field (Green Color). Hadam (in purple color) and Blood (in purple color).

The verse in Acts 1:19 destroys any claim of using Hebrew as a spoken language in first century AD.

Many of Hasmonean Coins were also later minted by Bar Kokhba (also known as "False Messiah) for the purpose of honoring Hasmoneans and national liberation. This is the same Bar Kokhba who wanted Hebrew to replace Aramaic. So the use of coins being inscribed in Hebrew don't prove much either.

The stone theory is also laughable.

Aramaic word "Abna" (pronounced as Awna) means stone. Aramaic verb "bna" means "to offspring" and "to build." It depends on the context. So we see play on words much more clear in Aramaic. Abna is used in Luke 12:18, 1 Peter 2:8, and other verses of Peshitta.

We see that Josephus points out (Antiquities of Jews Book 3) Hebrews called Pentecost "Asartha." Asartha is transliteration of Aramaic word "Atsartha." There is no indication of Jews speaking Hebrew at all. If Hebrews spoke Hebrew, then Josephus would have mentioned "Ha Atzeret" along with "Atsartha."

So Historically, this eliminates any possibility of using Hebrew as a spoken language. Hebrew was only used for religious purposes from 540 BC to 130 AD. In order to represent "Jewish Identity", the temple authorities could have minted Hebrew on the coins since Hebrew is considered as the holy language of Jews.

This is just like using Sanskrit in Kerala (South India) to represent the identity of Hinduism since Sanskrit is the holy language of Hindus. But nobody in Kerala use Sanskrit as a spoken language.

Calling Syriac in Peshitta "an Edessan Dialect" doesn't make any sense at all. Unlike Peshitta, the imperfect is conjugated with "yodh" instead of "nun" in Edessa. We can see this in Edessan inscription (written in Estrangela Alphabet) from AD 6. Paul Younan knows more about this.
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Quote:Calling Syriac in Peshitta "an Edessan Dialect" doesn't make any sense at all. Unlike Peshitta, the imperfect is conjugated with "yodh" instead of "nun" in Edessa. We can see this in Edessan inscription (written in Estrangela Alphabet) from AD 6.
konway87,
Do you know what boundaries were for Ashuri and Estrangelo scripts?
What was used where?
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#10
I believe Ashuri was commonly used by Judean Jews in first century AD. But Ashuri was also used among Gentiles. I believe Kandahar inscription (inscription from Northern India - Modern day Afghanistan) written under King Ashoka was in Ashuri script.

But the common script that was used among Aramaic speaking Gentiles was Estrangela alphabet. Estrangela script was commonly used by Arameans (Syrian Gentiles), Gentiles in Iraq regions & Turkish regions, European regions like Greece and Italy, in Galilee, and in Eastern Christian denominations. For Example, Greek mistranslation of Romans 5:7-8 can only come from Estrangela script. Not with Ashuri script.

Aramaic used by Arameans was called Aramait. Aramait is called "Syriac" by Greeks, because Greeks called Arameans "Syrians." So all Aramaic manuscripts that were written in Estrangela Alphabet came to be called Syriac manuscripts.

And Aramaic that was written in Ashuri script was called Ebraith (Hebrew) in first century AD, because it was used by Hebrews (another name for Jews).

I believe the word "Aramaic" came from Aramait.

Here is the picture of Aramaic scripts.

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The first line is the Eastern Estrangela script.
The second is the Western Estrangela script.
The third line is the modern Eastern script (Swadaya).
The last line is the modern Western script (Serto).

Eastern Peshitta uses Eastern Estrangela script. Western Estrangela script was used in Turkish regions and also in Northwest Syrian regions for Western Peshitto until Serto took over by eighth century AD.
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I call Hebrew in Dead Sea Scrolls "Bar Kokhba's Hebrew." This is because it was Kokhba who wanted Hebrew as the language of Jews instead of Aramaic. From 540 BC to 130 AD, Aramaic was the language of Jews. From 131 AD through the rise of Bar Kokhba and Kokhba revolt (132-135 AD), the beginning process of reverting back to Hebrew occured although Aramaic was spoken by Jews from 131 AD to 135 AD.

Kokhba tried to restore Hebrew based on the knowledge of Scribes who used Old Hebrew for religious purposes. During this period, there were only few "preserved" Old Hebrew documents. Many of Preserved Hebrew documents were destroyed during Jerusalem Siege in 70 AD.

While reverting back to Hebrew (based on the knowledge of Scribes and few "preserved" Hebrew documents), several Aramaic words were also loaned into Hebrew due to the fact that Aramaic was spoken language of Jews upto that date. Couple of Greek words were also loaned into Hebrew since Greek was used to communicate to Bar Kokhba during Bar Kokhba revolt(132-135 AD). Through this process, Hebrew in Dead Sea Scrolls are also different from Old Hebrew used by King David, King Solomon and others during Old Hebrew period.

Bar Kokhba and his men minted Hasmonean Coins to honor Hasmoneans and National Liberation during Bar Kokhba revolt. So it is not surprising to see Hebrew on surviving Hasmonean Coins.

In Aramaic Peshitta, we see the disciples, Paul, and the other followers of Jesus using Peshitta Tanakh to quote Old Testament verses in their letters and Gospels. This shows that Aramaic Old Testament was Old Testament that was used during first century AD since everyone in Israel spoke Aramaic. Not Hebrew.
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