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The Sabboth
Page 228 of the AENT puts (Annual) in brackets. This added "help" word may be to accommodate other assumptions in the mind of the translator. I see in the interlinear "annual" does not appear.

To put my case I agree that the Sabbath (see page 954) was a gift to man and "Sunday worship" is a product of Christendom. However your notes seem to suggest that Yeshua rose from the dead on Sunday. If that was a fact then to achieve "on" three days and "on" three nights Yeshua's death would have had to be at 3 o'clock on Thursday of the previous week.

But as the 14th day of the lunar month could have fallen on any day any claim that Yeshua was crucified on the Thursday is making an assumption, unless it can be proved otherwise. The assumption that Yeshua rose from the dead on the Sunday after good Friday is a "Christian" confusion since this does not allow "on" 3 days and "on" 3 nights.

Exodus 12:6 the lamb was to be killed at even on the 14th day and verse 18 is the feast of unleavened bread. Exodus 34:18 and 22 the feast of weeks. Deuteronomy 16 gives more detail. Some I have heard have put the commencement of the feast of weeks on the day of Yeshua's resurrection. So for this they read Matthew 28:1 as the first of the (feast of) weeks was dawning. corresponding to Acts 20:7 on the first day of the (feast of) weeks but this idea is not supported by the AENT. 1Cor 16:2 as well for good measure!

Hey Brother Aldred, You make some good point toward Roth, but as it so happens he does not visit this threads any longer. But if you would like to point this out to him you can email him at his site: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""></a><!-- m --> ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""></a><!-- m --> )

I do not believe he has a Forum over there but he has been known to answer emails from time to time.
The lamb was killed on the 14th day of Abib. Then on the fifteenth day the the seven days of unleavened bread commenced. On the 16th day the feast of weeks stated. Morning, morning and evening, morning and evening. Because Yeshua rose from the dead on the morning of the third day it is necessary to go back one day so that Yeshua's death would need to be on the 13th Abib. morning,14th morning and evening, 15th morning and evening, 16th evening. This makes Yeshua's rising again on the first day time of the feast of weeks. The legalist will say that Yesua kept to Torah so the day before the passover would have been making a special case of the "last supper". Being a non legalist this suits me fine.

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Q: When Yeshua broke the bread with them and said "this is my body", was it before the start of the days of unleavened bread, and could this bread have been leavened bread, rather than unleavened bread?

I think for a week before the feast all leaven had to be searched out and disposed of?

What do you make of the hidden bread ritual?

Thirdwoe Wrote:Q: When Yeshua broke the bread with them and said "this is my body", was it before the start of the days of unleavened bread, and could this bread have been leavened bread, rather than unleavened bread?


This is an interesting idea, but the Scriptures show that the bread was UNleavened.

And it was, that when Yeshua had finished all these words, he said to his disciples: "You know that after two days it is Passover and The Son of Man will be betrayed to be crucified."- Matthew 26:1-2, 1st Century Aramaic Bible in Plain English

But on the first day of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Yeshua and they said to him, "Where do you want us to prepare for you that you may eat the Passover?" But he said to them, "Go to the city to a certain man and say to him, 'Our Rabbi says, 'My time is come. I will perform the Passover at your place with my disciples'." And his disciples did just as Yeshua ordered them and they prepared the Passover.- Matthew 26:17-19, 1st Century Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Dylan, where does it show that the bread which He broke and said was His body, was leavened bread, rather than unleavened bread?
Thirdwoe Wrote:Dylan, where does it show that the bread which He broke and said was His body, was leavened bread, rather than unleavened bread?

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There is some debate on whether "the last supper" was actually on the feast day, or on the day before the feast day. So I was wondering if it could have been that the bread was leavened bread, rather than the feast mandatory unleavened bread.

The word used in the Peshitta and the Greek text for this bread, is the normal use for bread, while there is a distinct word always used for the bread of the feast.

Also, in all the ancient branches of The Church, The Aramaic, Greek, and Latin speaking...the bread which was used from the beginning was leavened bread. After about 1000 years, the Latin branch began to use unleavened bread, rather than the leavened bread they had used for the prior 1000 years.

The Aramaic and Greek branches have kept the use of leavened bread since the 1st century, which is Apostolic tradition. As far as I know, all Protestant churches use leavened bread as well, but I'm not sure if some might used unleavened kind.

Under the New Covenant, they probably didn't feel the need to use unleavened bread. That is definitely interesting, as I always assumed everyone used unleavened bread for the Eucharist. Based on the fact that Jesus Christ lived under the Torah and fulfilled it, also the Gospels say that the Last Supper took place on the first of the days of unleavened bread (during which time the Torah forbids the consumption of leavened bread in Deuteronomy 16:3), it seems most likely that the bread was unleavened. Jesus and the disciples at least celebrated this meal as the Passover (Luke 22:8-15).

I attended a Hillel shabbat service a few times in college, and I saw that Jews have a ritual of eating bread and drinking wine at the start of the dinner that is very similar to the eucharist in outward appearance. They use leavened challah bread for this.

I have always thought that this weekly ritual became the eucharist.

bar Sinko
Yea, bar Sinko, the more I look into this matter, it looks like they would finish off the remaining leaven with that last supper meal, before the day of Passover, when they were to eat the paschal lamb and bitter herbs...

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the beginning of the 7 day festival is the 1st day of unleavened bread, which began the day after the actual Passover meal was eaten. So I think they could eat it up to that point, or the last meal the night before, which would have been this supper they had before Messiah was crucified the next afternoon.

If we look close at all the statements in the Gospels, the meal they had that night seems not to have been the regular Passover meal, as it looks to have taken place at the start of the 14th of Nissan, where the actual Passover meal was eaten about 24 hours later at the end/eve of the 14th of Nissan. Messiah calls it the Passover meal, but I don't think they were celebrating it as the other would be doing the next evening.

If this is so, then it may well have been leavened bread they used to sop with that night, which makes more sense, and explains why the original Eucharist was universally unleavened bread, until the Latin branch began to use unleavened bread for some reason.

Also, the fact that it indicates they were reclined for that supper says something, as the Passover meal I think was to be eaten while standing upright and in was not a leisurely meal at all.

Pretty interesting.
Can we please revert to my original entry? Aldred
Aldred Emmans Wrote:Can we please revert to my original entry? Aldred
As I said before being your original entry is specifically addresses to Roth you should take it up with him @: ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""></a><!-- m --> )

It doesn't matter on what day people might believe Jesus rose from the dead, some believe it was the 7th day of the week, and some believe it was the 1st day of the week.... what matters is that He did raise!

But, The Holy Scriptures does tell us on what day it was.

I have a question for you. Do you worship God on Sunday?

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