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AENT Errors
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ScorpioSniper2 Wrote:Colossians 2:16- "Let no (pagan) therefore judge you about food and drink, or about the distinctions of festivals and new moons and Shabbats."

While Roth makes it clear that "pagan" is not in the Peshitta text, he should leave his interpretation out of the translation and leave it in the commentary, especially when the context contradicts Brother Roth's interpretation.
That's funny because in my eyes, as well as many other Nazarenes, even thought the text doesn't specifically say it in this sentence the context clearly alludes to it.

Not to mention that Powlos [Paul] throughout his writings, time and time again, spoke of keeping Feast after Feast. He also kept the Seventh Day Shabbawth [Sabbath] consistently throughout his life, as was the practice of The Anointed One, and all the other Apostles. The Book of Acts tells that the Disciples kept the Shabbawth a minimum of 85 times (this is after The Anointed One had died and ascended to the right hand of His Father). No where in the Renewed Covenant did the Disciples worship on the first day of the week unless you count the Feast of Pentecost. That's right a Scriptural Feast!

How anyone could believe Powlos taught the Feast of Unleavened Bread is no-longer to be observed (1Co 5:8 ?Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.?) when in the first chapter of 1st Corinthians the context is clearly speaking against their old pagan ways while at the same time promoting truth as YHWH has proclaimed it in Scripture (i.e.-Torah.

Also Polycarp, who was a student of Yo-Khawnawn [John], keep the PassOver Feast throughout his life (and refused to replace it with Easter), who died in 156AD (well into the second century). He taught that the Apostle Yo-Khawnawn not only kept this Feast but taught others to observe it also.

ScorpioSniper2 Wrote:You're correct. Apparently (just like in Hebrew), the Aramaic word for "new" can also mean "renewed". Based on Scriptural context (including in Hebrews), it makes more since as "the New Covenant". But then again, I'm one of those Christo-pagans! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/laugh.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laugh" /><!-- s:lol: -->
I would say that it's funny, but it really ain't <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad --> . Again I and any other Nazarene seem to see differently here as well. The only reason I see that one would want to translate New over ReNewed is because they do not want to keep the afore mentioned Feast themselves, while in denial of the fact that the Apostles kept the Shabbawths and Feasts long after The Anointed One's death and resurrection. They some how come to the conclusion that The Anointed One came to call that which YHWH called acceptably is now unacceptable, and that which was clean is now unclean, and that which was unclean (like pig) is now clean. They teach that the Instruction YHWH gave us to live a righteous life are sinful to follow now. Oy. The worst of their teaching is that they follow the Spirit and not the Law. Yet just what spirit would lead one to go against the Instruction/Law in which YHWH gave us to lead us unto a righteous life before Him? It would have to be an adversarial spirit unto YHWH's TORAH. And yes YHWH as well as His only begotten Son Yehoshuah spoke plenty about such a spirit.

ScorpioSniper2 Wrote:Does anyone else think that the cross/stake issue is rather minor? I honestly could see the traditional t-shaped cross being called a stake.

The shape of the torture stake, while up for debate, is defiantly a minor issue for sure, and should never become a big dill one way or the other, while making the shape of it an object of worship should be, at least not if one thinks the Scriptures that the Bareans search night and day to see if Powlos was preaching truth OR NOT should still be searched for truths to hold Powlos's teaching against.

{Exodus 20:3-17}
3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before Me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy Elohim a jealous Ail, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [e.g.-refuse to follow] Me;
6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My Commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the Name of YHWH thy Elohim in vain; for YHWH will not hold him guiltless that takes His Name in vain.
8 Remember the Shabbawth Day, to keep it Consecrated.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10 But the Seventh Day the Shabbawth of YHWH thy Elohim: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
11 For [in] six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that [is] in them, and rested the Seventh Day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Shabbawth Day, and Consecrated It.
12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which YHWH thy Elohim gives thee.
13 Thou shalt not murder.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor any thing that thy neighbor [has].

{Deuteronomy 5:7-21}
7 Thou shalt have none other elohim before Me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy Elohim a jealous Ail, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [e.g.-refuse to follow] Me,
10 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My Commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the Name of YHWH thy Elohim in vain: for YHWH will not hold guiltless that takes His Name in vain.
12 Keep the Shabbawth Day to sanctify it, as YHWH thy Elohim hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work:
14 But the Seventh Day the Shabbawth of YHWH thy Elohim: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine donkey, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and YHWH thy Elohim brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore YHWH thy Elohim commanded thee to keep the Shabbawth Day.
16 Honor thy father and thy mother, as YHWH thy Elohim hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which YHWH thy Elohim gives thee.
17 Thou shalt not murder.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor?s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor?s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his donkey, or any [thing] that thy neighbor [has].

{Lev 26:1}
You shall make no idols nor graven images, neither raise you up a standing image, neither shall you set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the YHWH your Elohim.

Should it not stand to reason that if the Commandments speaking of how we are to relate toward other humans are still to be observed unto this very day then so to the ones that tell of how we are to relate with YHWH (such as obeying the Shabbawth Day, not bring YHWH Name to nothingness and/or a disdain toward It, and not to make any graven image, such as crosses etc..., for worship) are more important to be observed unto these days as well. Ain't it funny how some think that we no longer need to relate with the Father that The Anointed One came to restore us unto?



Thirdwoe Wrote:: Mr. Roth has a long list in the AENT of those laws he believes all believers in Messiah should be keeping...and it's much, much, much, longer than the list that The Apostles wrote down at the council of Jerusalem in about 50 A.D., that they sent to all the Gentiles who were coming to faith in Messiah, by the power of The Holy Spirit.

{Act 15:21}
For Moshay [Moses] of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Shabbawth Day.


The same Shabbawth Days that the gentiles Believers were going to the synagogues to worship. While there they were hearing the Torah portions being read to them. Yes they were still reading the Torah for instructions after The Anointed Ones death and resurrection.

{2Timo-Theos [Timothy] 3:16-17}
The entire Kitvei HaKodesh is Hashembreathed and useful for hora'ah (teaching), for reproof, for correction, for training in tzedek, That the ish haElohim may be proficient, having been equipped for every one of the ma'asim mitzvot.


{2 Timo-Theos [Timothy] 2:15}
Diligently make every effort thine ownself to study, in order to assist the Elohim, a teacher that needs not to be ashamed, righteously preaching the WORD; The TRUTH!


That includes the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writing along with the ReNewed Covenant.

But don't just take my word on this, what did Yehoshuah say -

{Mattith-YaHu [Matthew] 5:17-19}
Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the Prophets [Writings]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one Yohd or one diacritical point shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Destroying and Fulfilling the Torah are Hebrew idioms to the effect claiming someone is destroying the Torah when they interpret it incorrectly and also that someone is fulfilling the Torah when they interpret it correctly, so Yehoshuah was saying that he did not come to misinterpret the Torah but rather to show the true meaning thereof. That is why when he taught that you have heard that but I say this, He was teaching the Torah to its fullest, not doing away with the commandments.

Again Yehoshuah did not come to do away with the Shabbawths and Feast Days that YHWH Consecrated and render the whole of the Torah null and void so that we could eat pig!

TWO APPROACHES IN UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURE
FIRST: One goes to the Writings with an open, unbiased attitude,
free of denominational slants or teachings, or previous impressions.
This is called Exegesis (direct analysis or interpretation of Scripture).
Allowing the Word to directly speak to form a solid foundation through
personal study. Listening to other men teach us what Scripture says
is fine also, as long as we test everything we hear, being careful how
we listen, as the assembly at Berea did (see: Acts 17:10,11).

SECOND: (the wrong approach) -- One goes to the Writings to prove
something they already believe, finding sentences which hint at the
idea. This is called Eisegesis (analyzing from one's own
preconceived ideas). In these cases the text is not directly
describing or teaching the concept they are trying to prove, but rather
the words are extracted and hunted-down, to "prove" what they
believe. This is how men "twist" or "spin" the Words of Scripture,
especially the letters of Shaul [Saul] (a.k.a. - Powlos [Paul]):
". . . as also our beloved brother Powlos wrote to you, according
to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in
them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to
understand, which those who are untaught and unstable TWIST
(spin) to their own destruction, as they do also the other
Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch;
lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away
with the delusion of the Torahless." - {2 Kepha [Peter] 3:15-17}
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AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-25-2012, 05:55 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 11-25-2012, 07:57 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-25-2012, 08:04 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 01:40 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 11-26-2012, 03:37 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 05:25 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-26-2012, 04:23 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 04:58 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 09:33 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 10:11 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-27-2012, 12:48 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-27-2012, 05:07 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-27-2012, 01:11 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-27-2012, 09:16 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-27-2012, 09:56 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2012, 12:16 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-28-2012, 02:54 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2012, 04:19 PM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-29-2012, 04:22 PM
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Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-30-2012, 07:41 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-02-2012, 06:30 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-02-2012, 08:06 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-03-2012, 02:33 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-03-2012, 02:41 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-04-2012, 12:44 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 01:39 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-05-2012, 02:43 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 03:51 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-05-2012, 03:58 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 04:02 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-05-2012, 05:01 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 05:19 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Paul Younan - 12-05-2012, 05:41 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-05-2012, 06:11 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 07:09 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 02:41 PM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 05:04 PM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-06-2012, 04:10 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-10-2012, 02:37 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 03:44 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-10-2012, 05:02 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 06:21 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-10-2012, 10:19 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 07:42 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-13-2012, 04:22 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-14-2012, 02:42 AM
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Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-14-2012, 02:30 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-15-2012, 12:51 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-15-2012, 08:24 PM
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