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Luqa 2:52
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Stephen Silver Wrote:Shlama Akhi Alex:
I can't chase you around the forum as you change the scriptural topics. Please, if you see fault in the scriptures I have brought forth and if you can understand Hebrew and Aramaic enought to comment on them then I'd appreciate that you do, or we will go in circles and waste time and energy. Therefore, I want to park here and clarify some definitions so that we both feel that we are on the same page.

1)"nishmat ruakh khahim". can you simply define what this phrase means?

2) "nefesh khayia". Again, what does it mean?

Use the Hebrew Bible and point me to verses that affirm their meaning. I'll give you a hint. "Job Chapter 26:4, 27:3.

Job had a perfect understanding of both of these phrases and he used them to bring praise to Elohim.

Quote:So YAHushauh is indeed the "wisdom", the righteousness, the sanctification and the redemption... that YHWH "made" Him to be for us and it is told of first in Mishley 8


wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption are attributes of Elohim. All the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in YHVH. Here, Yeshua is YHVH. In I Corinthians 12:3 it is read, "No one speaking by the Spirit of Elohim calls Jesus cursed and no one can say that YHVH is Yeshua except by the Holy Spirit". These readings are from the Peshitta and differ slightly from the Greek, but not considerably. The order of YHVH and Yeshua change but the meaning is the same. Compare Genesis 1:1, Hebrews 1"9, Psalm 110:1-2, Ephesians 3:9.

Now, without skirting the issue Alex, can you read Hebrew and Aramaic enough to discern by Lexical analysis it's intrinsic meaning?

Please keep your answers clear, concise and as accurate as you can.

Shlama,
Stephen Silver
Dukhrana Biblical Research,
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Actually I haven't asked you to "chase" me anywhere at all... I asked a simple question that, to date, has not been addressed...

As far as your phrases from Iyob are concerned, they have nothing to do with the passage from Luqa do they??? Or is it you that is introducing something "new" into the conversation??? However just for argument's sake... this is Iyob 26:4

EYTh-MIY HIGADeThA MILIYN WeNISheMATh-MIY YATzeAHMIMEYKhA:

and Iyob 27:3

KIY-KAL-`OWD NISheMAThIY BIY WeRUACh ELOAH BeAPhIY: (RUACh mentioned here refers to the breath that Iyob has within him, not his Spirit)...

What you apparently miss in those passages is that Iyob is replying to Bildad... and neither of them address Luqa 2:52... nor do they have anything with The Son...

Furthermore I have never said I read or speak Aramaic... I've never even attempted to do either as my interest is not in that area at this point in my life, however that too is irrelevant to my question...

Your argument about what or should I say whom "wisdom, sanctification and redemption" are with the scriptures not me... As the katub says that ELOHIYM {MADE} YAHUshuah these things for us in Corintyah 1:30... However this too is irrelevant to my question...

Your reasoning for making portions of your post is your own... It does not answer my question as Corintyah Aleph 12:3 does not either... It actually makes the question that much important as Luqa certainly did not say the same in 2:52...

There certainly is no issue to "skirt" other than the fact that you, nor anyone else has answeredd the question but have given all sorts of interpretations and reasons for your belief...

NOW... I ask that you answer this as "concisely" as possible... How could YAHUshuah, the Son OF YHWH "gain favour" with ELOHIYM if He is ELOHIYM??? If you cannot answer it, believe me when I say I understand, as I have yet to find anyone that says the Son and the FATHER are the same, online or otherwise, that can explain that one passage without contradicting their belief system...

Thanks...

justalex
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Messages In This Thread
Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-26-2011, 12:36 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-26-2011, 04:00 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Aaron S - 01-26-2011, 05:51 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-27-2011, 12:32 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-27-2011, 12:36 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-27-2011, 05:06 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Jerry - 01-27-2011, 05:51 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-27-2011, 10:50 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-28-2011, 12:36 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-28-2011, 12:42 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-28-2011, 12:44 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-28-2011, 12:54 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Jerry - 01-28-2011, 01:44 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by sean - 01-28-2011, 04:55 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-28-2011, 06:42 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-29-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-29-2011, 11:07 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-29-2011, 11:25 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Stephen Silver - 01-30-2011, 11:46 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-30-2011, 05:20 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Stephen Silver - 01-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-31-2011, 04:39 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-31-2011, 04:43 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Stephen Silver - 01-31-2011, 05:17 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-31-2011, 11:14 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-31-2011, 11:32 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by justalex - 01-31-2011, 11:55 AM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 01-31-2011, 12:49 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Stephen Silver - 01-31-2011, 05:44 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by distazo - 02-01-2011, 01:24 PM
Re: Luqa 2:52 - by Stephen Silver - 02-02-2011, 02:27 AM

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