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"MarYah deception" ???
Paul Younan Wrote:Shlama Akhan Andrej.

But I thought the "Nestorian" position was against the idea that Jesus is YHWH? At least according to our adversaries.

The very article that started this thread insinuated that those of us who support this understanding are doing so because of a theological bias. Read it and see for yourself.

Of course nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, it can be argued that my position on the MarYah understanding more closely supports the Christology of the Jacobites, rather than what the world mistakenly refers to as the Nestorians, my own tradition.

When it comes to the language itself I make a very strong effort to leave behind my own bias and accept the evidence for what it is. And what it is is reflected by the fourth-century words of St. Ephraem.

When articles like that one butcher the understanding of Aramaic grammar, I can't sit idly by and allow it to happen. It's totally unsupported by the primary texts, and by tradition. Not to mention the modern spoken tongue.

Something had to be said. Tradition or not.
Hello Paul, i don't really follow all the way. i do not completely agree with oneness pentecostal theology, but the way i see it, nestorians and OP agree in that Christ has more than one nature. OP, nestorians and i would disagree, however, on how to define those natures, and how to define the "seperations" between those natures. i am positive, though, in stating that the very most OP would identify Jesus as YHWH. It's pretty much what defines them. OP would simply identify Christ's divine nature as YHWH.

You seem to say people identify you as nestorian, but people also say nestorians are against the idea that Jesus is YHWH, which is what you say? (???)

i did not mean to accuse or insult you, it is just that i do not know you well enough to tell whether you are willing and able to submit your traditions to truth or not, as it seems you submit yourself (and in turn your research) to ACOE traditions. In theology, i absolutely agree with you on this MarYah issue, which does not mean you (or i) are correct, though.
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"MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-08-2010, 09:07 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-08-2010, 10:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-08-2010, 10:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-09-2010, 08:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Broad-ley - 11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-11-2010, 02:58 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-21-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-21-2010, 09:15 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-21-2010, 10:25 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 11:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-21-2010, 11:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 05:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-22-2010, 05:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-22-2010, 07:17 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-22-2010, 05:39 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-22-2010, 06:59 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-22-2010, 07:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 04:02 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 04:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-23-2010, 05:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 12:01 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-23-2010, 06:45 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-23-2010, 09:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-23-2010, 11:09 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-24-2010, 02:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 03:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-24-2010, 03:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 03:55 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 04:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-24-2010, 05:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 05:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 06:55 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-25-2010, 07:52 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-25-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 08:58 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-25-2010, 09:34 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-25-2010, 10:29 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-25-2010, 10:56 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-26-2010, 02:14 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-26-2010, 06:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-27-2010, 05:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-27-2010, 09:35 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-28-2010, 07:16 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-28-2010, 11:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 02:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 02:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:04 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:24 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:47 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 04:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:27 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 05:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 07:24 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 11:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:52 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:57 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 12:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-30-2010, 03:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-30-2010, 04:11 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 11:47 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-01-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 12-01-2010, 11:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Stephen Silver - 12-02-2010, 04:18 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-02-2010, 11:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 12-02-2010, 09:28 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 12-03-2010, 12:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 12-03-2010, 01:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 12-03-2010, 02:21 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 12-03-2010, 04:12 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 12-03-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 12-04-2010, 06:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 12-10-2010, 03:51 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Phil - 12-10-2010, 09:47 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 12-20-2010, 03:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 12-20-2010, 04:19 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 12-21-2010, 02:41 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 12-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Iejezquel - 06-03-2011, 07:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Iejezquel - 06-03-2011, 08:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-05-2011, 10:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-05-2011, 08:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-05-2011, 08:57 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-07-2011, 05:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-07-2011, 06:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 02:05 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 02:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 06:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-08-2011, 11:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 08:53 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 09:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 09:15 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-09-2011, 02:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-10-2011, 03:48 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 04:05 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-10-2011, 09:39 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:49 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:56 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:58 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-10-2011, 11:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-10-2011, 11:55 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 12:27 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 12:42 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 12:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 01:21 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 02:25 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 03:58 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-11-2011, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 05:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 05:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-11-2011, 10:25 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 06:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-12-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-12-2011, 02:51 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-12-2011, 03:20 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-12-2011, 03:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-12-2011, 03:36 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-12-2011, 04:10 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-13-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 12:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 04:42 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 05:18 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 06:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 06:29 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 08:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 08:17 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 09:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 11:01 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-15-2011, 12:29 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-15-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-15-2011, 01:26 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-15-2011, 03:49 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 02:39 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 02:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 02:56 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 03:02 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 04:23 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 04:30 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 04:40 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-16-2011, 05:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 03:47 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 09:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-17-2011, 01:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-17-2011, 03:23 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-17-2011, 03:26 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-17-2011, 04:20 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-27-2011, 06:53 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-27-2011, 09:09 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 07-10-2011, 08:48 PM
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