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"MarYah deception" ???
Paul, that grammar lesson was really great. Thans a lot!!!


Thirdwoe Wrote:Justin Martyr about 160 A.D. "But to the Father of all, who is unbegotten there is no name given."

Why would this be said by a leading Christian teacher of the 2nd century?

It is because the early Christians, knew and understood, that The Word of God, the Offspring of God The Father, was the One, whom mankind was dealing with, whom the Father sent to reveal Himself unto mankind. The Name of God's Holy Word is YAHWEH...and YAHWEH, became a Human Being, in the person of YAHSHUA.
Thirdwoe, i don't know if you read some of my posts regarding this, but this is exactly what i am saying all the time. i usually like to sum it up like this:
The Father (of all, not God in figurative functions like "father of israel" etc) is completely urevealed.

Whenhe started creation, he started to reveal himself. Of course, his creation is within him, and so his revelation both encompasses creation and prvides the framework and fabric thereof. That "super"-revelation is the word. The word is all of God that is revealed to any of creation. Though it is a consistent , superior concept, one may as well see it as a summarization of all of God's manifestations from our perspective.

Whenever God reveals himself, it is the word revealing himself. Be it as a pillar of fire, a voice of thunder, in a vision,as light, as a celestial being, through divine love or anything else. It seems to me that when God authored creation, he determined how to reveal himself in each domain. These domains of creations are not equal to phsical dimensions, but rather divine concepts. One of these domains is what we call heaven. The revelation of the word in that domain, i suppose, is what we call Yahweh. As the heavenly domain is above the physical world, that revelation can also be percieved in the physical world.

However, though this revelation is somewhat physical, it is not completely compatible to humans as it is simply too raw and strong. That is why humans die when they see Yahweh face to face. This revelation is not 100% compatible to humans and must be percieved through a filter (dreams, vivions, manifestations of many kinds, angels, anthropomorphisms, in human form, the back (->moses), an etc).

Other domains are the human as an individual, and humans as a whole. Now, the revelation of the word native to these domains is Jesus Christ. That is why Jesus is the highest revelation of God humans can possibly percieve (whereas one may argure that God inheaven is actually a stronger revelation, but we cannot fully percieve that revelation, and it is too crude and brutal for us). Jesus is fully compatible to any individual, and a reference model to all humanity. For Jesus to be native to our domain, he had to follow human limitations, and that is why he had to not just appear human (like he did to abraham) but actually be human. Else he would not be a perfect revelation within our domain.

As Jesus is the perfect and highest revelation of God himself to us, he is all of the father we will ever be able to percieve, the fullness of the godhead bodily, God revealed in the fesh, the word made flesh; and that is why he can say whoever sees him sees the father, though the father can be seen by no one directly.

So, when you say Jesus, you are talking as directly to the father as you possibly can. All of God is revealed in Christ to us.

Let me know if you agree/disagree. i really liked your quote from Justin, if you have more like that, let me know. i know you could attack my terminology, and even the way i present the concepts, but just try to understand what i am saying instead of tryng to tear it down (but i always appreciate serious criticism).
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"MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-08-2010, 09:07 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-08-2010, 10:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-08-2010, 10:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-09-2010, 08:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Broad-ley - 11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-11-2010, 02:58 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-21-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-21-2010, 09:15 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-21-2010, 10:25 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 11:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-21-2010, 11:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 05:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-22-2010, 05:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-22-2010, 07:17 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-22-2010, 05:39 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-22-2010, 06:59 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-22-2010, 07:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 04:02 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 04:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-23-2010, 05:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-23-2010, 12:01 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-23-2010, 06:45 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-23-2010, 09:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-23-2010, 11:09 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-24-2010, 02:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 03:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-24-2010, 03:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 03:55 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 04:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-24-2010, 05:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 05:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 06:55 AM
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Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-25-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-25-2010, 08:58 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-25-2010, 09:34 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-25-2010, 10:29 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-25-2010, 10:56 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-26-2010, 02:14 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-26-2010, 06:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-27-2010, 05:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-27-2010, 09:35 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-28-2010, 07:16 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-28-2010, 11:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 02:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 02:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:04 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:24 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:47 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 03:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 03:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 04:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 04:27 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-29-2010, 05:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 07:24 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 11:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-29-2010, 12:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:52 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 11-29-2010, 06:57 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 12:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-30-2010, 03:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-30-2010, 04:11 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-30-2010, 11:47 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-01-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 12-01-2010, 11:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Stephen Silver - 12-02-2010, 04:18 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-02-2010, 11:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 12-02-2010, 09:28 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 12-03-2010, 12:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 12-03-2010, 01:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 12-03-2010, 02:21 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 12-03-2010, 04:12 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 12-03-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 12-04-2010, 06:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 12-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 12-10-2010, 03:51 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Phil - 12-10-2010, 09:47 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 12-20-2010, 03:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 12-20-2010, 04:19 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 12-21-2010, 02:41 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by whathell - 12-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Iejezquel - 06-03-2011, 07:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Iejezquel - 06-03-2011, 08:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-05-2011, 10:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-05-2011, 08:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-05-2011, 08:57 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-07-2011, 05:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-07-2011, 06:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 02:05 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 02:54 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 06:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-08-2011, 11:00 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 08:53 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 09:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-08-2011, 09:15 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-09-2011, 02:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-10-2011, 03:48 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 04:05 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-10-2011, 09:39 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-10-2011, 10:49 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:56 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-10-2011, 10:58 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-10-2011, 11:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-10-2011, 11:55 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 12:27 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 12:42 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 12:43 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 01:21 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 02:25 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 03:58 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-11-2011, 04:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 05:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-11-2011, 05:46 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-11-2011, 10:25 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 06:10 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 06:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-12-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-12-2011, 02:51 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-12-2011, 03:20 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-12-2011, 03:33 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-12-2011, 03:36 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-12-2011, 04:10 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-13-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 12:59 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 04:42 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 05:18 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 06:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 06:29 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 08:03 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 08:17 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-14-2011, 09:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-14-2011, 11:01 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-15-2011, 12:29 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-15-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-15-2011, 01:26 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-15-2011, 03:49 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 02:39 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 02:53 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 02:56 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 03:02 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 04:23 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 06-16-2011, 04:30 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 04:40 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-16-2011, 05:08 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 06-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-16-2011, 03:47 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-16-2011, 09:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 06-17-2011, 01:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-17-2011, 03:23 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 06-17-2011, 03:26 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-17-2011, 04:20 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 06-27-2011, 06:53 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Paul Younan - 06-27-2011, 09:09 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 07-10-2011, 08:48 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Thirdwoe - 07-11-2011, 07:50 AM
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