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"MarYah deception" ???
Shlama akhi Paul,


thanks for chiming in on this subject. this is one i've been trying to unravel for awhile now. the lexicons and everything i've read of a "scholarly" <!-- s:lookround: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lookround.gif" alt=":lookround:" title="Look Round" /><!-- s:lookround: --> nature suggest MARYA as being from MARA -- and so i thought that MAR was a title that developed from the older MARA at a later date. do you have any further info on MAR being the absolute of MARA? i know depending entirely on lexicons for some grammatical aspects is not always the best choice, but as a non-native user of the language, i have no other choice at the moment!

while i have no issue theologically with MARYA = YHWH, it is the linguistic/grammatical side that i'm not seeing clearly defined. was MARYA an adapted term with MARA as the base, but with the yudh inserted to emphasize specifically that this is ONLY YHWH intended? (thinking of how HOSHEA became YEHOSHUA, with the implied appearance of YHW by the addition of the yudh -- ie, the Name is not actually there since the root doesn't allow it, but in a way, it visually/phonetically is...hope that made sense!) could it be the same issue here? i wonder because i've only personally seen MAR used at a later date than the Peshitta's apostolic timeframe. i had asked Bauscher in an earlier post on this thread to provide evidence showing some kind of usage of MAR from earlier times, but he never responded. so maybe you can give an example to satisfy my neurotic grammatical standards. <!-- s:crazy: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/crazy.gif" alt=":crazy:" title="Crazy" /><!-- s:crazy: --> it certainly is used in reference to the Deity, tho i've seen some instances in the AN"K where it was used to translate the Hebrew terms "Elohim" and "Adonai," as well. i also noticed a few times where the Hebrew YHWH was translated as MARA, for what it is worth.

in the end it doesn't amount to too much, i suppose, except for the nitty-gritty details of the nature of the Messiah, tho He saves in spite of one's particular belief on that subject anyway, thankfully! but i would really like to pin down a more definitive answer, if possible. in my personal translations i just transliterate every instance of MARYA in the NT, anyway, so for me it is not a big deal other than to satisfy my ponderings....

thanks!


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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"MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-08-2010, 09:07 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Aaron S - 11-08-2010, 10:19 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-08-2010, 10:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by g_a_kowalski - 11-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-09-2010, 08:36 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Jerry - 11-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Broad-ley - 11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-11-2010, 02:58 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-21-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by BrotherLarry - 11-21-2010, 05:51 PM
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Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-21-2010, 11:51 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 05:35 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Burning one - 11-22-2010, 05:57 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by distazo - 11-22-2010, 07:17 AM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by Andrej - 11-22-2010, 05:39 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by gbausc - 11-22-2010, 06:59 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:33 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by justalex - 11-22-2010, 07:38 PM
Re: "MarYah deception" ??? - by soneroboricua - 11-22-2010, 07:46 PM
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