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On the "Western Five" extra-Peshitta books

In general though I really try to show variances between the groups to let the reader decide, so for the 22 I compare Khabouris and 1905 and with their variants, especially places like Rev 1:10 and 22:14.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth


I am interested to know whether Khabouris and the Aramaic NT Bible are one the same? As comparison between KJV or Greek Textus Receptus and Peshitta Lamsa Translation on Revelation 1:8 there is some differences which is doctrinally important to prove that it was Lord Yeshua speaking in this particular verse.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (KJV)


Rev 1:8 I am Aleph and Tau, the beginning and the ending says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (Peshitta Lamsa)

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha, also Omega, saith the Lord God; who is, and was, and is to come, the omnipotent. (Peshitta Murdock Translation)

I am Olaph and Thau, saith Aloha the Lord, who is, and who was, and who cometh, the Omnipotent.5 (Etheridge Translation)

Now, one can see the difference in the Aramaic NT Bible as well. So which Aramaic version is based on Khaburis believed to be written around 165AD, the earliest known Aramaic Bible?

Lamsa version has "the beginning and the ending" says the Lord God. while the other 2 Aramaic translation does not have the said phrase. While KJV has the same phrase but it does not have "God" in the verse, merely says the Lord.

When I read KJV on Rev 1:8 for the first time, it immediately dawn on me that it was Lord Jesus was speaking and claiming to be the Almighty God. But critics pointed out to me that it was Lord God or the Father was speaking and not Lord Jesus. But the other verses in the Book of Revelation with the title "The First and the Last" are sufficient evidence to conclude that "The Alpha and Omega" which is "the First and the Last" letters of the Greek Alphabet points to the identity of none other person than Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Yeshua Himself.

Secondly, the Book of Revelation is (Rev 1:1) "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him". So Rev 1:8 must be Lord Jesus because God the Father gave it to Lord Jesus.

Thirdly, the continuation of message is in the context of Rev 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." which is referring to Lord Jesus' second coming. Then He proclaimed Himself as the Alpha & Omega and the Almighty in Rev 1:8. If it was Yahweh the Father speaking, it would be also correct. As Yahweh spoke in the OT too as "the First and the Last" in OT

Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. (KJV)

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.



Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (KJV)

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Now, the Title "The First and the Last" is obviously the same term as "The Alpha and the Omega". So it proves that Lord Yeshua was speaking as the Almighty in Rev 1:8 when all other verses affirm that the said Title is spoken by Lord Jesus. Could the "Lord God" in Rev 1:8 proves that it was Lord Yeshua and it is the same person?

Of course, there are other verses in the Scripture that speaks of Lord Yeshua as God the Almighty.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (KJV)

John 1:18. No human [being] ever saw God, except for the only born God,
He who existed in the bosom of his Father, [Who] proclaimed* Him. (Younan Peshitta NT)

If the words were from the lip of Lord Yeshua, it is more authoritative than any other apostles. Can anyone comment on this viewpoint?


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Re: On the "Western Five" extra-Peshitta books - by positron - 10-16-2008, 05:15 PM
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