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Back Breaker
bar_khela Wrote:Sleepy

Yes, each copy of the Peshitta is nearly letter perfect to each other.

So what?

So what? You'd use the same argument to defend the accuracy and originality of the Quran.

It's very powerful proof of the reverence it held among Eastern Christians.

bar_khela Wrote:We do not have an autograph to compare our earliest copies to.

No Apostolic signature, no stamps, not even a postcard. Nada.

Neither do you have an original Quran. No Mohammaden signature (Mohammad couldn't read or write, anyway, but I'm just sayin'), no stamps, not even a postcard. Nada.

bar_khela Wrote:Therefore, accuracy in regards to letter-by-letter precision has no real weight in our discussion.

Don't be silly. Of course it does.

If you have one English Hamlet, and find hundreds of different Chinese's a pretty good guess that hundreds of different Chinamen translated from that single English source.

I can't believe after all these years you still haven't "gotten" it.

bar_khela Wrote:Let's discuss the "Four-in-One."

What Tatian called in Aramaic the "Damkhaltey?" Sure, start by reading this:

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bar_khela Wrote:According to Freedman, Tatian "corrected" and "harmonized discrepancies" with the aid of "source Gospels."

Ummmm, yeah! Of course "source Gospels" were used to create a Harmony. You can't create a Harmony from nothing. Think about it.

bar_khela Wrote:In regards to these source Gospels

They were the same exact source Gospels that we have preserved today in the Peshitta.

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bar_khela Wrote:The Diatessaron was very popular.

Yes, of course. Why wouldn't a harmony of the Peshitta Gospels be popular?

bar_khela Wrote:Tatian was later declared heretic and the copies of his Diatesseron were burnt.

In the Western Church, yes indeedee.

bar_khela Wrote:With Tatian's Diatessaron being burned in the late second century CE (being the oldest Syriac NT ever), what source was used to compose the Peshitta (which appeared at least in the third century)?

If Tatian's Diatesseron was burnt in the Western Empire, but not in the Eastern (Persian) Empire, where they were compiled to begin with, who cares?

And no, the Diatesseron wasn't "burnt" in the second century AD. They still existed in 1043 AD, otherwise Ibn-at-Tayyib (a CoE monk, and an Arab for what it's worth) wouldn't have been able to translate it into your beloved and "proto-Semitic" Arabic. Here is the subscription from the Arabic manuscript, in case you were interested:

Quote:Here endeth the Gospel which Tatianus compiled and named Diatessaron, i.e., The Fourfold, a compilation from the four Gospels of the holy Apostles, the excellent Evangelists (peace be upon them). It was translated by the excellent and learned priest, Abu'l Fa??ra??j ??Abdulla ibn-at-Tayyib (may God grant him favour), from Syriac into Arabic from an exemplar written by Isa ibn-Ali' al-Motatabbib, pupil of Honain ibn-Ishaq (God have mercy on them both). Amen.

Notice the "from Syriac into Arabic" part. Very, very important. No other version in any other language (not the Latin, not the Armenian, nothing) claims that it was translated DIRECTLY from the original language that Tatian (the ASSYRIAN) composed it in.

If, as you say, the Damkhaltey was "burned in the second century", what was that dummy ibn-Tayyib doing using it to make an Arabic translation in the 11th century?

C'MON, Akhi. Get your head out of Western encyclopedias. There are plenty of our own histories to tell our story, thank you.

So where is this "back breaker?" It's turned out to be more of a "back-scratcher!"
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Messages In This Thread
Back Breaker - by bar_khela - 11-02-2004, 11:08 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-03-2004, 05:44 PM
[No subject] - by ograabe - 11-03-2004, 11:58 PM
Early mss of Peshitta - by gbausc - 11-04-2004, 04:03 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-04-2004, 08:27 PM
Re: Early mss of Peshitta - by bar_khela - 11-04-2004, 09:16 PM
Re: Early mss of Peshitta - by Paul Younan - 11-04-2004, 09:44 PM
The Figure-Four - by bar_khela - 11-04-2004, 11:50 PM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-05-2004, 12:05 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-05-2004, 02:43 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-05-2004, 04:34 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-09-2004, 12:30 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-10-2004, 12:07 AM
Koran Contradiction? - by Keith - 11-10-2004, 03:46 AM
[No subject] - by metal1633 - 11-10-2004, 04:13 AM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 11-10-2004, 05:15 AM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 11-10-2004, 05:18 AM
[No subject] - by Paul Younan - 11-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Plucking feathers - by bar_khela - 11-10-2004, 07:53 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-11-2004, 03:20 PM
Deathblow - by bar_khela - 11-11-2004, 04:35 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-11-2004, 07:17 PM
Re: Deathblow - by Keith - 11-12-2004, 02:17 AM
Re: Deathblow - by bar_khela - 11-16-2004, 01:16 AM
[No subject] - by Keith - 11-16-2004, 04:45 AM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-16-2004, 08:27 PM
[No subject] - by Keith - 11-16-2004, 10:59 PM

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