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Who will win tomorrow?
I share many of the interests and concerns expressed by both of you, but I think in a few points of fact, you are both wrong. But beyond the data, we must also look deeply into our own roles as Christians in this conflict. It is vital for us to base our discourse on Truth, with the humility appropriate to our limited vision.
gbausc Wrote:If you had read the transcript of Bin Ladin's video released last Friday, you would understand why I put Bin Ladin in Kerry's camp. Al Jazeera has published the transcript in toto. What he said essentially at the end of it was, "If your U.S. state votes for Bush, we will bomb your state. If your state votes Kerry, we will protect you."
I did read the whole transcript weeks ago, and it neither says nor implies anything of the sort. His exact words were "In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No. Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security." [A "state" on the international scene is a NATION. USA is the only state that doesn't call itself a state.]
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First Point: He basically says here that the outcome of the election is IRRELEVANT to him. What he claims to care about is the security of Muslim countries. He said nothing to indicate that he "preferred" Kerry over Bush.

gbausc Wrote:Osama does not love the USA; he does not want to protect it; he does not oppose terrorists, and yet he supported Kerry and hates Bush. He threatened to bomb states that vote for Bush and protect states that vote for Kerry.

What?! Let me clean out my ears. I linked to the transcript above. There is absolutely no reference to this. In other posts on this forum, you have proven to be a careful, discerning, and at times magnificent analyst of language, but here it seems like you're trying to pull a fast one.

Second Point: Read the whole transcript.
UBL Wrote:Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example??- Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19??- may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.
Summary: In a global community, everyone's security is interdependent. The concept that we can win at someone else's expense is short-term thinking that has proven monumentally disasterous. We are our brother's keepers.

It seems that Western Christians have surrendered to an order that depends on domination and violence. I am moved by the same Spirit that animated Dr. King when he said that working for the brotherhood of man "is a calling that takes me beyond national allegiances. But even if it were not present, I would yet have to live with the meaning of my commitment to the ministry of Jesus Christ. To me, the relationship of this ministry to the making of peace is so obvious that I sometimes marvel at those who ask me why I am speaking against the war."
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In the aftermath of the terror events of 2001, the need for effective Christian peace witness is monumental; most Christians are aware that we are called to be peacemakers, and yet few Christians are aware that nonviolent alternatives to war exist, and that they have consistently uprooted evil whenever carried out with unwavering faith in the sovereignty of Love. Such work demands long-term vision, training, self-purification, and the courage to absorb suffering with patience and determination.

We used to say that Yeshua's Sermon on the Mount layed out unrealistic expectations, and that he was able to overcome evil by bearing the cross because of his divine nature. But now we live in an age that has seen whole nations transformed by faith-based nonviolent revolution: India, South Africa, Philipines, et cetera. With Alaha as our Father, we have no excuses anymore.

It is an article of my faith that we all have a divine vocation in the revolutionary work given to us by Yeshua. Conservatives & progressives must end this ideological standoff that is destroying our communities.

I've put together some resources at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://beardedbaby.net/">http://beardedbaby.net/</a><!-- m --> .

May our work be guided and blessed by Our Father.

Loving regards.
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"Take heed, dear Friends, to the promptings of love and truth in your hearts, which are the leadings of GOD." - London Yearly Meeting Advices, 1964

Messages In This Thread
Who will win tomorrow? - by Paul Younan - 11-01-2004, 09:30 PM
Re: Who will win tomorrow? - by oozeaddai - 11-02-2004, 02:46 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-02-2004, 05:20 PM
[No subject] - by se7en - 11-02-2004, 05:37 PM
Delerious - by Zechariah14 - 11-03-2004, 12:41 AM
wowq - by se7en - 11-03-2004, 01:29 PM
[No subject] - by bar_khela - 11-03-2004, 05:09 PM
[No subject] - by peshitta_enthusiast - 11-03-2004, 09:59 PM
okay so Bush won... - by se7en - 11-04-2004, 12:23 AM
Bin Ladin & Kerry - by gbausc - 11-04-2004, 05:02 PM
hmmm - by se7en - 11-06-2004, 02:02 AM
Bin Ladin -Pro Kerry - by gbausc - 11-06-2004, 06:29 PM
still disagree - by se7en - 11-06-2004, 11:17 PM
Re: Bin Ladin & Kerry - by John Stephens - 11-14-2004, 04:13 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-14-2004, 09:26 PM
[No subject] - by John Stephens - 11-15-2004, 06:46 AM
[No subject] - by gbausc - 11-15-2004, 03:32 PM
[No subject] - by John Stephens - 11-15-2004, 08:20 PM
To dear John Stephens - by se7en - 11-15-2004, 09:49 PM
Gentle Jesus Meek & Mild ? - by gbausc - 11-16-2004, 06:19 PM
Re: Gentle Jesus Meek & Mild ? - by Paul Younan - 11-16-2004, 06:44 PM
Re: To dear John Stephens - by John Stephens - 11-17-2004, 12:04 AM
... - by se7en - 11-17-2004, 12:50 AM

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