02-17-2015, 12:19 AM
I really appreciate your response, and also the willingness to discuss Enoch.
The book of Enoch has some vivid descriptions of heaven, and heavens of heavens, and resting places, and underworlds, and fire, and dry places?
I?ve read it many times (the Aramaic fragments of Enoch as transcribed by Knibb, M. (1978)). Like the Peshitta gospel and Revelation, in all these texts punishment is finite. Punishment is real, but the idea that ?destruction = everlasting torment? is the myth. And as I?ve written, that myth is propagated by mistranslation. In a nutshell, finite and proportional torment is real, but everlasting torment is just a mistranslation of the word [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Ml9[/font] (?an age/world?). Mark 10:30 has a wonderful proof about this word conjugation for Aramaic scholars, because it links the definite and indefinite articles.
I?m preparing a word study video on this topic that I hope to release next month, so please do check back at the link above if you?re interested.
Regarding the place where Yahshua went for those three days after crucifixion ? it?s a cool mystery! One passage that suggests the underworld is 1 Peter 3:19:
[font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Lwy4b Ywh Jdyx0d Nyly0 0t4pnl zrk0w[/font] (?And he preached to the souls held in Sheol.?)
I think [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Lw04[/font] (?Sheol?, hebrew) is analyzed as a question we [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]L04[/font] (?ask?) ourselves -- it captures well the uncertainty of our perspectives here on earth. So I wonder where Yahshua went, and also what the Jewish woman Mary Magdelene [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]trbs[/font].
Looking at every instance of Sheol in the Hebrew OT, I see a general pattern showing a place with layers or levels inside the earth, where there is some sorrow and some peace for souls. Quite simply, I think it is where souls wait for their day of judgment. Does everyone receive the same court date?
Really appreciate all of the clues in your response that help ask these questions!
aux Wrote:The complete scroll of Enoch written in Aramaic is in private hands and has not been published.I think that?s one of the great mysteries of our world!
The book of Enoch has some vivid descriptions of heaven, and heavens of heavens, and resting places, and underworlds, and fire, and dry places?
I?ve read it many times (the Aramaic fragments of Enoch as transcribed by Knibb, M. (1978)). Like the Peshitta gospel and Revelation, in all these texts punishment is finite. Punishment is real, but the idea that ?destruction = everlasting torment? is the myth. And as I?ve written, that myth is propagated by mistranslation. In a nutshell, finite and proportional torment is real, but everlasting torment is just a mistranslation of the word [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Ml9[/font] (?an age/world?). Mark 10:30 has a wonderful proof about this word conjugation for Aramaic scholars, because it links the definite and indefinite articles.
I?m preparing a word study video on this topic that I hope to release next month, so please do check back at the link above if you?re interested.
Regarding the place where Yahshua went for those three days after crucifixion ? it?s a cool mystery! One passage that suggests the underworld is 1 Peter 3:19:
[font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Lwy4b Ywh Jdyx0d Nyly0 0t4pnl zrk0w[/font] (?And he preached to the souls held in Sheol.?)
I think [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]Lw04[/font] (?Sheol?, hebrew) is analyzed as a question we [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]L04[/font] (?ask?) ourselves -- it captures well the uncertainty of our perspectives here on earth. So I wonder where Yahshua went, and also what the Jewish woman Mary Magdelene [font="Estrangelo (V1.1)"]trbs[/font].
Looking at every instance of Sheol in the Hebrew OT, I see a general pattern showing a place with layers or levels inside the earth, where there is some sorrow and some peace for souls. Quite simply, I think it is where souls wait for their day of judgment. Does everyone receive the same court date?
Really appreciate all of the clues in your response that help ask these questions!