03-25-2004, 04:07 PM
Akha Andrew & Paul,
The article "Ancient Evidence" is great and supplies much
unknown evidence for Peshitta Primacy and OS counterfeiting. I can't get enough of it.
I have found a serious error in one of your examples (Paul's citation on Mark 5:26).
The problem is with Paul's definition of Pas-kho. Pas-kho- (pasxw) means " I suffer" , not "I endure", which latter Paul affirms. "Upomeno" is the Greek for "I endure". The Peshitta agrees with the Greek here.
This , I think, would obviate the point of this example from the argument.
Overall, a great job on this article ! I hope to see even more examples from Aphrahat and others, as well as The Diatessaron.
I do think the Greek (Zorba) is our friend , not an adversary, as Trimm seems to treat it. The Greek all came from the Peshitta and is a very powerful witness in all of its mss. for Peshitta Primacy. The Byzantine text agrees generally with The Peshitta text (75%) against The Alexandrian. But you have also shown how many Alexandrian readings also came from The Peshitta.
Therefore, we should learn and use Greek as skillfully as possible in our demonstrations. William Norton states his belief that The Apostles would have commissioned a Greek translation of the gospels and epistles and then authorized the final version before sending it out . I find this very convincing.
That does not mean the Greek is a perfect translation; there is no such thing as a perfect translation.
It would mean that The Greek (Majority Text) would have been a very accurate and faithfully executed work which represented the original as well as humanly possible.
The translation work would not be the God breathed word, as The Peshitta is, but then most of the world must rely on a translation of the originals.
That translation is very well documented and supported in its accuracy and can illuminate the possible meanings in many places in The Peshitta. It was undoubtedly made early in the first century. We have a treasure trove of early witnesses in the Greek mss. , especially in the Byzantine text, but also in the other types.
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Dave B
The article "Ancient Evidence" is great and supplies much
unknown evidence for Peshitta Primacy and OS counterfeiting. I can't get enough of it.
I have found a serious error in one of your examples (Paul's citation on Mark 5:26).
Quote:"The other point of the post was, the Peshitta could not be a revision of the "Old-Syriac" in favor
of the Greek reading of Mark 5:26. I cannot even fathom a direct relationship between the Peshitta
and OS, unless the translators of the "Old-Syriac" had referenced the Peshitta. That's about the
only relationship I can even imagine. The supposed revisers of the Peshitta had no reason to
include 0dy0 and change the Proclitic w to a Proclitic d.
"Look at this example through Occam's Razor. Notice also the second difference in the first line.
The Old Syriac has trbys (#13856)15 which is closer to the Greek 'Pas-kho' (meaning 'Endure'),
whereas the Peshitta has tlbs, (#13687) which means 'Suffer.' How can the Peshitta be a
revision of the OS in favor of the Greek, if the OS is closer to the Greek than the Peshitta is?
Examples like this one just don't make sense within the currently accepted Western framework."
The problem is with Paul's definition of Pas-kho. Pas-kho- (pasxw) means " I suffer" , not "I endure", which latter Paul affirms. "Upomeno" is the Greek for "I endure". The Peshitta agrees with the Greek here.
This , I think, would obviate the point of this example from the argument.
Overall, a great job on this article ! I hope to see even more examples from Aphrahat and others, as well as The Diatessaron.
I do think the Greek (Zorba) is our friend , not an adversary, as Trimm seems to treat it. The Greek all came from the Peshitta and is a very powerful witness in all of its mss. for Peshitta Primacy. The Byzantine text agrees generally with The Peshitta text (75%) against The Alexandrian. But you have also shown how many Alexandrian readings also came from The Peshitta.
Therefore, we should learn and use Greek as skillfully as possible in our demonstrations. William Norton states his belief that The Apostles would have commissioned a Greek translation of the gospels and epistles and then authorized the final version before sending it out . I find this very convincing.
That does not mean the Greek is a perfect translation; there is no such thing as a perfect translation.
It would mean that The Greek (Majority Text) would have been a very accurate and faithfully executed work which represented the original as well as humanly possible.
The translation work would not be the God breathed word, as The Peshitta is, but then most of the world must rely on a translation of the originals.
That translation is very well documented and supported in its accuracy and can illuminate the possible meanings in many places in The Peshitta. It was undoubtedly made early in the first century. We have a treasure trove of early witnesses in the Greek mss. , especially in the Byzantine text, but also in the other types.
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Dave B