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In saying this, he declared all foods clean
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Quote:Mark 7:19
For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

That little end tidbit is not found in the Peshitta, for good reason. Whether or not you obey every bit of the Torah, you are still obligated to agree that Yeshua obeyed it. If he didn't, he succumbed to this:

Quote:Deuteronomy 13:1-5
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Shlama Akhi Rob,

Nice observation, rakhmi <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin --> No wonder our Jewish counterparts struggle with the New Testament so much. Stuff like this is in it! <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->
By the way, check out the sizable omission in verse 8 of that same chapter in the Revised English Version of 1881---"immersions of cups and pots; and many things which are like these." The Peshitta and the Received Greek Text both have the full verse. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> Hmmm...."baptizing cups and pots; and many things like these"
How does "vessel baptism" fit into Judaic studies, akhi Rob? <!-- s:dontgetit: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dontgetit.gif" alt=":dontgetit:" title="Dont Get It" /><!-- s:dontgetit: -->

Shlama w'Burkate, Larry Kelsey
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The metaphor used by Christ is excellent when used against those caught up in rituals and failing to see the deeper things but in any case translations always gave this bit in brackets so I think it is unlikely that he said it.

It all depends anyway on your viewpoint - did Christ do away with the Torah or maintain it? This has been a hot issue for centuries. My take is that he confirm the Torah but wanted to end robotic rituals with no substance in them and try and get people to open their hearts more. Jeremiah and Isaiah also say similar things.
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Quote:My take is that he confirm the Torah but wanted to end robotic rituals with no substance in them and try and get people to open their hearts more. Jeremiah and Isaiah also say similar things.
Some people refer to this type of language regarding the Torah as a superlative comparison. Meaning that the actual language may be against the torah, but the point is not. The language is harsh in order to straighten out priorities and express the point.

Quote:Matthew 23:23
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices???mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law???justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
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Here's a good example:
Quote:Ezekiel 39:19
At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk.
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Rob Wrote:
Quote:Mark 7:19
For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

That little end tidbit is not found in the Peshitta, for good reason.

Hi Rob,

It is not in the Greek text, either. The Greek text does not say ???Thus He declared.??? It simply reads katharidzown panta ta bromata. Jay Green's interlinear translates this as ???purging all the foods.??? In the context of Mark 7, Yeshua says that it is not eating with unwashed (or common) hands that makes one unclean, but what goes into a person???s heart.

The parallel passage in Matthew 15:1-2 clears up the whole context: ???Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Yeshua from Yerushalayim, saying, ???Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.?????? The passage isn't about food, or making unclean food clean. It is about whether not washing your hands in the manner of the Pharisees makes clean food unclean. The Pharisees said "yes," and this is why Messiah said to them in

Matt 15: 3: And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?"

???Thus He declared??? is a blatant addition by NASB translators for the purpose of inserting a particular theology into the text. Messiah did not abolish the Biblical dietary commandments in Mark 7. He criticized the Pharisees for ritualistic handwashing and said that food eaten with unwashed hands was still clean. However, at the same time He said that what is more important is what comes out of a man???s mouth.

Your brother,
Zechariah14
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How embarassing for David Stern, he tried to reconcile it without even handling it. <!-- sSleepy --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sleepy.gif" alt="Sleepy" title="Sleepy" /><!-- sSleepy -->
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Hey Rob,

""You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. "" in Matthew 23:23

This is a good reading to support Mosaic law in the NT. In fact, good work on reminding me of this verse, I must add it to the doctrinal Peshitta article!!! I think you'll find the Peshitta really says:

"You should have practiced the latter, and not neglected them"

The Peshitta does not say "without neglecting the former"

Now suddenly the verse is a strong case in point for those who believe the Mosaic law is the schoolmaster that is obsolete.

All the important moral stuff from the mosaic law is all in the NT law anyway <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
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