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Friday Crucifixion?
Can I just check something please - during the time and culture of Yshwa, was the 7 day a week system used with the Monday to Sunday system? Also, was the Roman calendar in use by everyone?
How can we know if it was Friday which is the Germanic Freya's day?
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Shlama Gentile,

Thousands of years before Yeshua's time (or even before Abraham's time) the Semites in Mesopotamia developed the 7-day week beginning with "Sunday" (Khad b'Shabba, "1st of 7") and ending with "Saturday." (Shabtha "7th.")
+Shamasha Paul bar-Shimun de'Beth-Younan
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Cheers Paul

So what was Friday called then [and now]?

I know in the Arab countries I have contact with they call it 'el-jumueh' and call Saturday 'el-sebt' [which means 'sabbath' or rest]
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Hey Gentile,

Friday used to be called 'Shtaa b'Shabaa (sixth of seven), but when the Aramaic-speaking peoples converted to Christianity, they renamed it to "Arubtha" ("sunset") because the sun was darkened when Meshikha was crucified.
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Paul Younan Wrote:Shlama Akhi Zechariah,

Read again very carefully the quote you give from me. I said Tuesday - "Arba b'Shabba" means "Fourth of Seven", and it is your WEDNESDAY in English.

As far as the 4th day, the CoE still to this day holds a service on that day. As it does on the "Eve of the Sabbath at the 9th hour", which is the beginning of Khad b'Shabba (the first day.)

What's your point?

Shlama Akhi Paul,

No real point, except to say that the 4th of Seven begins at the end of the 3rd of Seven, or Tues evening by the English method of counting days.
Shlama Akhi Zechariah,

I think we can agree that English reckoning is irrelevant, since English reckoning did not exist at the time. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

The article that Michael pointed us to is misleading, grossly showing the lack of knowledge on the author's part. (or worse, it is intentionally lying - which I tend to believe.)

Take care, Akhi.
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I see this is an old thread but it stirred a new question. I was reading chapter 21 of the Didascalia

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This text shows a passover meal on Tuesday evening, which should be the 14th day of the 1st month. However, this text says that it is the 11th of the moon. The 11th of the moon is a reference to a lunar month date that should be equivalent to the 14th day on some other calender that was being followed by Yeshua and his disciples. The only non-lunar based calendar that has a Tuesday passover date that I know of is the one in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Am I understanding this correctly?
rradavich Wrote:The only non-lunar based calendar that has a Tuesday passover date that I know of is the one in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Am I understanding this correctly?

Please see Eisenman and Wise, Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, p. 106.
You can input the authors and title in a Search Field and you should get an Amazon listing. Click on that and the book will come up. In the Search Field on the left, enter "calendar" and the listing for page 106 will appear.
The Qumran Group evidently advocated a pure Solar Calendar. The politics are quite interesting.

From Eiseman's book "Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered"

Especially noteworthy is the absence among the Qumran caches of any text advocating a different
. This absence is striking because the calendar of the Qumran materials was only one of
several in use and seems to have represented a minority position. The calendrical texts are, therefore,
central to any attempt to understand the significance of the Dead Sea Scrolls. In order to follow the
rather technical expositions of these texts, one must know a few facts about the calendar they
advocate, and about the priestly courses (mishmarot) which served in the Temple at Jerusalem.
The calendar is purely solar, based on a particular understanding of the Creation account found in
Genesis. In its exclusive reliance on the sun, it stands in stark contrast to later Rabbinic Judaism,
which followed a lunisolar calendar of 354 days relying mainly on the moon. Earlier, the Pharisaic
forerunners of Rabbinic Judaism seem to have followed an even more lunar-oriented calendar, though
from the evidence of the Qumran texts, the lunisolar calendar seems already to have gained currency
during at least some of the period of the Scrolls

He notes the absence of texts advocating a different calendar, then says that from "evidence of the Qumran texts...lunisolar calendar seems to already have gained currency"

If there is an absence of texts of a different calendar, where is the evidence in the texts of the lunisolar calendar?
If the texts represent a minority position, where are the texts that support the majorities position? I have never seen a 2nd temple period lunisolar calendar. The 900+ Dead Sea Scrolls show no evidence of a lunisolar in use.
How can the calendar be purely solar if it always starts on a Wednesday, is 364 days long, and a solar year is 365.25 days long?

The Didascalia points to the use of the lunisolar calendar by the Chief Priests and Pharisees, and the Dead Sea Scroll 364 day calendar by Yeshua and His disciples.
rradavich Wrote:How can the calendar be purely solar if it always starts on a Wednesday, is 364 days long, and a solar year is 365.25 days long?

One reason is Mishmarot: (6 * 364 days) / 24 week rotation cycle = 13, no remainder.
(6 * 364) / 168 = 13.

The Priestly Cycle takes 6 years to complete and acts as a check on various calendars.


PS: I'm studying various alignments for the Holy Days using a "Mishmarot Calculator" and some of the results are Knock-your-socks-off stuff. It's definitely worth studying.
6 years of 364 days per year=2184
6 years of 365.25 days per year = 2191.5

6 pure solar years have 7.5 more days than the 6 years of the Mishmarot cycle. not a solar cycle.

I would call the calendar "schematic" in that it follows a fixed form.
I've looked at the Mishmarot cycles in regards to Yeshua's birth. There was one way Yeshua was born during the Mishmar of Yeshua. <!-- s:biggrin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin" /><!-- s:biggrin: --> A passover season birth.

If the Didascalia is correct, with the 14th of the DSS calendar being the same day as the 11th of the moon, and the priests observed passover three days earlier on that Tuesday, the lunar day of Shavuot would match the day of Yeshua's ascension. 10 days later would have been the DSS calender Shavuot.

I know that those are not your own words typed out there, so, could you give the website source for the cut and pasted article you found there?
Ok....looks like you cut and pasted this part from this site here, so, this is Alex's words, not yours...unless you are that Alex. There is a big problem with the idea of a Wednesday crucifixion. I'll point it out in a bit....

Alex says:
March 21, 2014 at 5:28 pm

Hi, I support a Wednesday crucifixion as does this author however a number of things need to be pointed out:

1. The Passover day on 14 Nisan is not a high Sabbath day as it was a day of preparation for the following day 15 Nisan ? the First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. No commandment was given for the Lords Passover starting 6 PM 14 Nisan to be a day of holy convocation.
2. By the time of tabernacle and thus First and Second Temple periods two daily Passover sacrifices had been commanded ? see Exodus 29: 37-41. Note a meat offering twice a daily for 7 days.
3. There were a total of 8 days of unleavened bread ? refer Exodus 12:18.
4. There was a total of 7 days in that 8 day period called the Feast of Unleavened Bread ? the first day of which was 15 Nisan a high day Sabbath after the Lords Passover which was a day of preparation.
5. Jesus participated in the Lords Passover on 14 Nisan at evening. Note no meat is eaten at the Last Supper.
6. Later that evening on 14 Nisan Jesus went to the garden, betrayed, arrested and trial and torture continued through the night when placed on a cross at approx 9 AM the time of the first daily sacrifice.
7. Mark 15:42 and Matthew 27:57 ?even had come? means not that 15 Nisan had arrived but ?between the evenings? refer <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""> ... /mat27.pdf</a><!-- m --> 12 hour period which started at Noon.
8. Jesus on was on the cross to the ninth hour 3 PM and was buried before the high day Sabbath to start 15 Nisan at 6 PM. See John 19;40-42.
9. Jesus was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights as per Jonah Matthew 12:40.

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Alex says:
March 21, 2014 at 5:43 pm

I should add that when Jesus died on the Passover day at 3 PM the second and final sacrifice for that day also occurred in the Temple!
The plan of the Ages was made known to Daniel in the prophecy of 70 weeks. Daniel 9 is about the coming Messiah not some future anti-christ. Daniel 9:27 the ?he? is the Prince not the prince.

#29 it looks like Phil took a bit here and a bit there from these posts at the link below, and wove them together for his post here... But, as I said above...the idea of a Wednesday crucifixion has a big problem.

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The BIG problem: The Scriptures show, that...

1: Jesus was raised on the 3rd day...three days after He was crucified.
2: When Jesus appeared to the two Disciples on the road to Emmaus late on Sunday afternoon, it was the 3rd day since He was crucified.
3: Sunday was the 3rd day from the crucifixion.
4: If the crucifixion were on Wednesday afternoon, then Sunday afternoon would have been the 4th day not the 3rd day since it took place.
5: Jesus said He would be in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights, and would raise from the among dead on the 3rd day.
6: If Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights, and rose from the among dead on the 3rd day...and the crucifixion was on a Wednesday, then His rising from the among dead would have been on Saturday sometime before sundown.
7: Jesus rose early on the 1st day of the week (Sunday), not late on the 7th day of the week (Saturday).

If you can fix this big problem...then I'll consider a Wednesday crucifixion...otherwise it won't work. Thursday afternoon could work though, as far as I can tell...if it were not on a Friday afternoon that is, which has always been what has been taught from the earliest times, by all the early Church teachers.

Even the Didascalia there says that the crucifixion took place on Friday afternoon...where it says that there was a long trial period before the crucifixion, not just one night, but a few nights in length...then came the crucifixion on Friday.

Also look at the subject of fasting. The Didascalia gives the reason for the change from Monday and Thursday to Wednesday and Friday as being that Yeshua was arrested on Wednesday and died on Friday. The much earlier work, the Didache, also has the Wednesday and Friday fast days changed showing Wednesday and Friday very early have a very important significance.

The timeline in the Didascalia is not one most people would come up with when trying to harmonize the Gospels. That to me shows that an actual understanding of what really happened may be recorded here. Also, the unique understanding of the 3 days and 3 nights is explained. Not a common understanding, not something a person would understand from reading the texts.

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