10-16-2003, 10:24 PM
Craig, the quote from you pointed in your statement that joseph would have to be the kingly title,...clear cut,.....that is what is understood in the words, clearly. That is what I pointed out. I did not see anyplace where you actually stated that you held to the Mary lineage before this, until now.
But I do like your position that you have about it atm. That is the most reasonable position in words yet I've seen here. Your investigating rather than making snap decisions and statements.
I see that you will thoroughly look at all corners to evaluate it first rather than make bold statements to a fact that is not scripture. That is what I point out in my many words here. There is no way I or anyone of sound judgement will take the word of some church father or talmud writing, (especially after having that thrown back at me). You use scripture to make sound decisions and let GOD's word prove itself.
On a side note. There is a problem I see at the moment with this particular chapter. With this chapter having a mistake of only 13 decendants after the captivity, I can see how many would rush to this possibility, in an effort to explain and be able to uphold this as original. Such is not the case. And I do note that this puts this particular chapter in line with the Greek, Latin, etc, and places the Peshitta in a "non-original" status for me, atm. The mistake is there for all to see, unless it can be corrected. Again, I did not find this sort of alternative reading/meaning in Greek translations, and i did look at quite a few. I wanted to know for myself so I looked at what I could find,...nothing.
Am I happy about that? Not really, but not surprised either. In what I see, the gospels seem tricky in all languages, not just aramaic. The O S has numerous mistakes, even in the very sentences I say that pinpoint the particular Joseph, etc. Am I happy that I don't see the clearcut truth in this particular chapter over this?? not at all, in fact upset, there should be no confusion for any of us.
But I do like your position that you have about it atm. That is the most reasonable position in words yet I've seen here. Your investigating rather than making snap decisions and statements.
I see that you will thoroughly look at all corners to evaluate it first rather than make bold statements to a fact that is not scripture. That is what I point out in my many words here. There is no way I or anyone of sound judgement will take the word of some church father or talmud writing, (especially after having that thrown back at me). You use scripture to make sound decisions and let GOD's word prove itself.
On a side note. There is a problem I see at the moment with this particular chapter. With this chapter having a mistake of only 13 decendants after the captivity, I can see how many would rush to this possibility, in an effort to explain and be able to uphold this as original. Such is not the case. And I do note that this puts this particular chapter in line with the Greek, Latin, etc, and places the Peshitta in a "non-original" status for me, atm. The mistake is there for all to see, unless it can be corrected. Again, I did not find this sort of alternative reading/meaning in Greek translations, and i did look at quite a few. I wanted to know for myself so I looked at what I could find,...nothing.
Am I happy about that? Not really, but not surprised either. In what I see, the gospels seem tricky in all languages, not just aramaic. The O S has numerous mistakes, even in the very sentences I say that pinpoint the particular Joseph, etc. Am I happy that I don't see the clearcut truth in this particular chapter over this?? not at all, in fact upset, there should be no confusion for any of us.