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_The Peshitta Holy Bible_ translated by David Bauscher
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_Jesus the Jew_ by Geza Vermes (1973), 286pp., on 130-131
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jew-Geza-Ve...800614437/
What was the Messianic hope of Israel in the inter-Testamental age? What kind of Redeemer figure was expected? 
A reliable answer is to be found in the least academic, and at the same time most normative, literary form:  prayer. In this respect, two significant sources have been preserved: the Psalms of Solomon, and the ancient synagogal prayer, _the_ prayer (_Tefillah_) _par excellence_, the Eighteen Benedictions. Their content of Messianic belief will be compared, with a view to verification, with that of a Qumran liturgical Blessing and with the rabbinic interpretation of classic Messianic prophecies. 
Psalms 17 and 18 of Solomon derive from a first-century BC collection of poems inspired by mainstream Jewish religious ideology with a pronounced anti-Hasmonean political tendency. The title of Psalm 18, as well as verses 6 and 8 (or 5 and 7), mentions God's Anointed who will be raised up on 'the day of mercy and blessing' and will use his 'rod' to instill the 'fear of the Lord' into every man and direct them to 'the works of righteousness'.  This prayer, inspired by chapter 11 of Isaiah, is preceded by the celebrated supplication in Psalm 17 concerning the coming of the 'son of David', described also with words borrowed from the same prophet and explicitly referred to as 'the Anointed'.

When The Psalms of Solomon 17 speaks of "the nations," do you think that refers to:
'the scattered, lost tribes of Israel'?
'the land of Israel'?

"4 And the kingdom of our God is for ever over the nations in judgement. ....
15 (13) Being an alien the enemy acted proudly, 
And his heart was alien from our God. 
16 (14) And all things whatsoever he did in Jerusalem, 
As also the nations in the cities to their gods.  ....
25 And that he may purge Jerusalem from nations that trample (her) down to destruction. 
(23) Wisely, righteously 26 he shall thrust out sinners from (the) inheritance, 
He shall destroy the pride of the sinner as a potter's vessel. 
(24) With a rod of iron he shall break in pieces all their substance, 
21 He shall destroy the godless nations with the word of his mouth; 

(25) At his rebuke nations shall flee before him, 
And he shall reprove sinners for the thoughts of their heart.  ....
(29) He shall judge peoples and nations in the wisdom of his righteousness. Selah.  ....
32 (30) And he shall have the heathen nations to serve him under his yoke; 
And he shall glorify the Lord in a place to be seen of (?) all the earth; 
33 And he shall purge Jerusalem, making it holy as of old: 
34 (31) So that nations shall come from the ends of the earth to see his glory, 
Bringing as gifts her sons who had fainted, 
35 And to see the glory of the Lord, 
wherewith God hath glorified her. 
....
38 (34) The Lord Himself is his king, 
the hope of him that is mighty through (his) hope in God. 
All nations (shall be) in fear before him, 
39 (35) For he will smite the earth with the word of his mouth for ever.   ....
51 May the Lord hasten His mercy upon Israel! 
May He deliver us from the uncleanness of unholy enemies! 
The Lord Himself is our king for ever and ever."

The Psalms of Solomon
https://carm.org/psalms-of-solomon
XVII. A Psalm. Of Solomon. With Song. Of the King.
17 1 O Lord, Thou art our King for ever and ever, 
For in Thee, O God, doth our soul glory. 
2 How long are the days of man's life upon the earth? 
As are his days, so is the hope (set) upon him. 
3 But we hope in God, our deliverer; 
For the might of our God is for ever with mercy, 
4 And the kingdom of our God is for ever over the nations in judgement. 
5 (4) Thou, O Lord, didst choose David (to be) king over Israel, 
And swaredst to him touching his seed that 
never should his kingdom fail before Thee. 
6 (5) But, for our sins, sinners rose up against us; 
They assailed us and thrust us out; 
What Thou hadst not promised to them, 
they took away (from us) with violence. 
7 They in no wise glorified Thy honourable name; 
(6) They set a (worldly) monarchy in place of (that which was) their excellency; 
8 They laid waste the throne of David in tumultuous arrogance. 
(7) But Thou, O God, didst cast them down 
and remove their seed from the earth, 
9 In that there rose up against them a man that was alien to our race. 

10 (8) According to their sins didst Thou recompense them, O God; 
So that it befell them according to their deeds. 
11 (9) God showed them no pity; 
He sought out their seed and let not one of them go free. 
12 (10) Faithful is the Lord in all His judgements 
Which He doeth upon the earth. 
13 (11) The lawless one laid waste our land so that none inhabited it, 
They destroyed young and old and their children together. 
14 (12) In the heat of His anger He sent them away even unto the west, 
And (He exposed) the rulers of the land unsparingly to derision. 
15 (13) Being an alien the enemy acted proudly, 
And his heart was alien from our God. 
16 (14) And all things whatsoever he did in Jerusalem, 
As also the nations in the cities to their gods. 
17 (15) And the children of the covenant in the midst of the mingled peoples surpassed them in evil. 
There was not among them one that wrought in the midst of Jerusalem mercy and truth. 
18 (16) They that loved the synagogues of the pious fled from them, 
As sparrows that fly from their nest.
19 (17) They wandered in deserts that their lives might be saved from harm, 
And precious in the eyes of them that lived abroad was any that escaped alive from them. 

20 (18) Over the whole earth were they scattered by lawless (men). 
21 (19) For the heavens withheld the rain from dropping upon the earth, 
Springs were stopped (that sprang) perennial(ly) out of the deeps, 
(that ran down) from lofty mountains. 
For there was none among them that wrought righteousness and justice; 
(20) From the chief of them to the least (of them) all were sinful; 
22 The king was a transgressor, 
and the judge disobedient, 
and the people sinful. 
23 (21) Behold, O Lord, and raise up unto them their king, the son of David, 
At the time in the which Thou seest, O God, that he may reign over Israel Thy servant 
24 (22) And gird him with strength, that he may shatter unrighteous rulers, 
25 And that he may purge Jerusalem from nations that trample (her) down to destruction. 
(23) Wisely, righteously 26 he shall thrust out sinners from (the) inheritance, 
He shall destroy the pride of the sinner as a potter's vessel. 
(24) With a rod of iron he shall break in pieces all their substance, 
21 He shall destroy the godless nations with the word of his mouth; 
(25) At his rebuke nations shall flee before him, 
And he shall reprove sinners for the thoughts of their heart. 
28 (26) And he shall gather together a holy people, 
whom he shall lead in righteousness, 
And he shall judge the tribes of the people 
that has been sanctified by the Lord his God. 
29 (21) And he shall not suffer unrighteousness to lodge any more in their midst, 
Nor shall there dwell with them any man that knoweth wickedness, 

30 For he shall know them, that they are all sons of their God. 
(28) And he shaIl divide them according to their tribes upon the land, 
31 And neither sojourner nor alien shall sojourn with them any more. 
(29) He shall judge peoples and nations in the wisdom of his righteousness. Selah. 
32 (30) And he shall have the heathen nations to serve him under his yoke; 
And he shall glorify the Lord in a place to be seen of (?) all the earth; 
33 And he shall purge Jerusalem, making it holy as of old: 
34 (31) So that nations shall come from the ends of the earth to see his glory, 
Bringing as gifts her sons who had fainted, 
35 And to see the glory of the Lord, 
wherewith God hath glorified her. 
(32) And he (shall be) a righteous king, taught of God, over them, 
36 And there shall be no unrighteousness in his days in their midst, 
For all shall be holy and their king the anointed of the Lord. 
37 (33) For he shall not put his trust in horse and rider and bow, 
Nor shall he multiply for himself gold and silver for war, 
Nor shall he gather confidence from (?) a multitude (?) for the day of battle. 
38 (34) The Lord Himself is his king, 
the hope of him that is mighty through (his) hope in God. 
All nations (shall be) in fear before him, 
39 (35) For he will smite the earth with the word of his mouth for ever. 

40 He will bless the people of the Lord with wisdom and gladness, 
41 (36) And he himself (will be) pure from sin, 
so that he may rule a great people. 
He will rebuke rulers, and remove sinners by the might of his word; 
42 (37) And (relying) upon his God, 
throughout his days he will not stumble; 
For God will make him mighty by means of (His) holy spirit, 
And wise by means of the spirit of understanding, 
with strength and righteousness. 
43 (38) And the blessing of the Lord (will be) with him: 
he will be strong and stumble not; 
44 (39) His hope (will be) in the Lord: 
who then can prevail against him? 
(40) (He will be) mighty in his works, 
and strong in the fear of God, 
45 (He will be) shepherding the flock of the Lord faithfully and righteously, 
And will suffer none among them to stumble in their pasture. 
46 (41) He will lead them all aright, 
And there will be no pride among them that any among them should be oppressed. 
47 (42) This (will be) the majesty of the king of Israel whom God knoweth; 
He will raise him up over the house of Israel to correct him. 
48 (43) His words (shall be) more refined than costly gold, the choicest; 
In the assemblies he will judge the peoples, 
the tribes of the sanctified. 
49 His words (shall be) like the words of the holy ones in the midst of sanctified peoples. 

50 Blessed be they that shall be in those days, 
In that they shall see the good fortune of Israel 
which God shall bring to pass in the gathering together of the tribes. 
51 May the Lord hasten His mercy upon Israel! 
May He deliver us from the uncleanness of unholy enemies! 
The Lord Himself is our king for ever and ever.

XVIII. A Psalm. Of Solomon. Again of the Anointed of the Lord.  ....

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The LXX is a translation. The 1611 KJV translated the 'deuterocanonical' books, which are absent from the Masoretic. In some respects, the LXX translation bizarrely is better than the Hebrew Masoretic, which monkeys with some Messianic prophecies.

What are 2 of your favorite examples of the NT supposedly quoting the LXX?
BTW, Cave 4 at Qumran revealed that there was a Hebrew textual tradition similar to what's seen in the LXX.

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"to say that the Hebrew language wasn't the commonly-spoken language is a misnomer.... to insinuate that the Hebraic language was not the common-folk tongue is derisively ludicrous"
What was the commonly-spoken language in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago?

Acts 1:19 (The Passion Translation), https://www.biblegateway .com/passage/?search=acts+1&version=TPT
Everyone in Jerusalem knows what happened to him. That’s why the field where he died is called in Aramaic[x] ‘Haqel Dama,’ that is, ‘The Bloody Field.’
x: Or “in the language of the region.” The Greek text is clear that the Jews of Jesus’ day spoke Aramaic, the language that Jesus and his apostles taught in. The Greek text transliterates the name of the field into a Greek equivalent for a Greek audience.

Acts 1:19 (based on Younan), http://dukhrana .com
and this became known to all who lived in Urishlim, and thus that field was called in the tongue of the area, Kh-q-l d'M-a, that is t-u-r-g-m-eh [targumed/ interpreted], Q-u-r-i-th D-m [Field of Blood].

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What is the position of 'Israel Only' on the ultimate extent of the realm of the Messiah? (merely over the land of Israel, and no further?)

_The Messiah: An Aramaic Interpretation: The Messianic Exegesis of the Targum_ by Samson H. Levey (1974), 180pp. On XIX:
The following is our delineation of Messianism as differentiated from eschatology.

Messianism is the predication of a future golden age in which the central figure is a king primarily of Davidic lineage appointed by God. In the period under consideration^8 [8: Roughly from the second century B.C.E. to the 9th century C.E. ....] it was believed that during the time of the Messiah the Hebrew people will be vindicated, its wrongs righted, the wicked purged from its midst, and its rightful place in the world secured. The Messiah will pronounce doom upon the enemies of Israel, will mete out reward and punishment in truth and in justice, and will serve as an ideal King ruling the entire world. The Messiah may not always be the active agent in these future events, but his personality must always be present at least as the symbol of the glorious age which will be ushered in.

The eschatological is not as limited as the Messianic. It optimistically envisages a salutary outcome of history, brought about by God himself, who will dispense reward and punishment here and/or hereafter. Included in it are various ideas that are sometimes heterogeneous without definite plan or system. The Jewish version usually encompasses the ingathering of the exiles and their return to Palestine, the destruction of the armies of the archenemies of Israel, purification of the land from defilement, the restoration of the pristine splendor of the temple, divine protection for Jerusalem and its inhabitants, subjugation of the nations to God and/or Israel, material prosperity, and peace. Attached to these may also be the doctrine of the resurrection of the dead. All this, without the involvement of the definite personality of Davidic lineage which marks the Messianic hope.

Interwoven into the Messianic picture may be any or all of the eschatological elements, sometimes also some of the characteristics of the apocalyptic, but the distinguishing feature which marks it as such is the figure of the Messiah himself.

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"the so-called 'Psalms of Solomon' are from the Apocrypha and are not Scripture"
Are those Christian denominations that consider certain books in the Apocrypha to be Scripture mistaken?
Are those ancient manuscripts that contain certain books in the Apocrypha as part of the Bible mistaken in including those Apocrypha books?

"any group that accepts the Apocrypha is mistaken"
"those books were excluded for one or more of the following reasons: (a) historical errors, (b) theology that contradicts Scripture, or (c ) the book was not written at the time or by whom it was claimed to have been written"
"The only 'denomination' I am aware of that accepts the Apocrypha as Canon is the Catholic Church"
Re: the OT, what's the 1st denomination to reject all Apocrypha books?

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"seem to be elevating yourself above the Word of God"
What is meant by "the Word of God"?
Do you think Jesus elevated himself "above the Word of God"?

Matthew 5 (NABRE)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...sion=NABRE
21 "You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.'
22 But I say to you....
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
28 But I say to you....
31 "It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife must give her a bill of divorce.'
32 But I say to you....
33 "Again you have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'Do not take a false oath, but make good to the Lord all that you vow.'
34 But I say to you....
38 "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you....
43 “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I say to you....
48 So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

snippets of the Footnotes
5:21 Cf. Ex 20:13; Dt 5:17. The second part of the verse is not an exact quotation from the Old Testament, but cf. Ex 21:12.
5:27 See Ex 20:14; Dt 5:18.
5:31–32 See Dt 24:1–5.
5:33 This is not an exact quotation of any Old Testament text, but see Ex 20:7; Dt 5:11; Lv 19:12.
5:38–42 See Lv 24:20.
5:43–48 See Lv 19:18. There is no Old Testament commandment demanding hatred of one's enemy, but the "neighbor" of the love commandment was understood as one's fellow countryman. Both in the Old Testament (Ps 139:19–22) and at Qumran (1QS 9:21) hatred of evil persons is assumed to be right. Jesus extends the love commandment to the enemy and the persecutor. His disciples, as children of God, must imitate the example of their Father, who grants his gifts of sun and rain to both the good and the bad.

John 1 (NIV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome a it. .... 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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When God told Peter, James, and John re: Jesus, Moses, and Elijah, to 'Listen to my beloved son i.e. Jesus,' did God undercut "the Ultimate authority" of what Moses had written?

"the written scriptures directly inspired by God. ....you do not accept this"
When God told Peter, James, and John re: Jesus, Moses, and Elijah, to 'Listen to my beloved son i.e. Jesus,' did God not-accept "the written scriptures directly inspired by God"?

Matthew 17:5 (NIV)
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

When Jesus made his 'you have heard.... But I say to you' remarks, do you think Jesus elevated himself above "the written scriptures directly inspired by God"?

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"do you believe that Jesus is God the Son"
Yes.
"and that he died"
Yes, and rose again.
"as a substitute for the punishment of our sinfulness?"
Reference?

"that is not a contradiction"
Who do you think prompted King David to sin by taking a census? (satan? God?)

"Satan works against the plans of God, but because God is Sovereign, everything he does actually fulfills the will of God, primarily in sifting mankind, to reveal the character of each individual. For a clear example of this, see the Book of Job"
Do you think God wanted Satan to kill Job's children?

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"the written scriptures directly inspired by God. ....you do not accept this"
Did the voice that spoke to Peter while Peter was in a trance not-accept "the written scriptures directly inspired by God"?

Acts 10 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English), biblehub
9 And the next day, when they were traveling on the road and came near to the city, Shimeon [Simon Peter] went up to the roof to pray at the sixth hour. 10 And he was hungry and he wanted to eat, and as things were being gotten for him, he fell into a trance, 11 And he saw Heaven as it was opened, and a garment which was tied at the four corners like a great linen, and it was descending from Heaven to The Earth, 12 And there were in it all kinds of four footed animals and creeping things of The Earth and birds of the sky; 13 And a voice came to him saying, "Shimeon, arise, slay and eat." 14 And Shimeon said, "Never, my Lord, because I have never eaten anything defiled or polluted." 15 And a voice came again a second time to him: "Those things which God has purified you shall not make impure." 16 This happened three times and the garment was taken up to Heaven.

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What do you mean by "the Received Text"?
Do you agree with me that the 1611 KJV translated the Apocrypha?

"and then rejected it once it was recognised not to be the Word of God"
When was the 1611 KJV's Apocrypha rejected, and by who?

"the Bible is clear that God will preserve his Word (Psalm 12)"
Do you think this is true?:

Jeremiah 8:8 (NIV)
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
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