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book of Hebrews: better from Greek, or Aramaic?
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For the Lord's Prayer, the KJV has "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.  Amen"-- which the NABRE lacks.  Does the "Amen" belong there?  Does "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever" belong there?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...=NABRE;KJV
Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: 
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.  Amen.
Matthew 6:9-13 (NABRE)
9 “This is how you are to pray:
Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be your name,
10     your kingdom come,
    your will be done,
        on earth as in heaven.
11     Give us today our daily bread;
12     and forgive us our debts,
        as we forgive our debtors;
13     and do not subject us to the final test,
        but deliver us from the evil one.

by A.D.-175 Diatesseron, Section IX
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/te...saron.html
[~33] Jesus said unto them, Thus now pray ye now: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. Give us the food of to-day. And forgive, us our trespasses, as we forgave those that trespassed against us. And bring us not into temptations, but deliver us from the evil one. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.

Matthew 6 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-engli...thew/6.htm
9 Therefore pray in this way: "Our Father who are in Heaven, hallowed be your name,
10 Let your Kingdom come, let your will be done also in the earth, just as it is in Heaven.
11 Give us our necessary bread today.
12 And forgive us our debts, just as we also forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not to temptation but deliver us from evil, for yours is the Kingdom and the power and the glory, for the eternity of eternities."

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Mark 9:29
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...=NABRE;KJV
(NABRE) He said to them, “This kind can only come out through prayer.”
(KJV) And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Does "fasting" belong there?

by A.D.-175 Diatesseron, Section XXIV
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/te...saron.html
But it is impossible to cast out this kind by anything except by fasting and prayer.

Mark 9:29 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/mark/9-29.htm
He said to them, “This sort cannot come out by anything except by fasting and by prayer.”

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When Luke 11:2-4 was originally written, do you think it had:
"which art in heaven"?
"Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth"?
"deliver us from evil"?

When Jesus originally spoke that prayer to his disciples, do you think it had, or lacked, those elements?

Luke 11:2-4
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...=NABRE;KJV
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/luke/11.htm
(NABRE)
2 He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Father, hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread
4 and forgive us our sins
for we ourselves forgive everyone in debt to us,
and do not subject us to the final test.”

(KJV)
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
2 Yeshua said to them, "When you pray, you shall say thus: 'Our Father, who are in Heaven, 'Hallowed be your name, let your Kingdom come, let your will be done also in the earth as it is in Heaven.'
3 'Give us our necessary bread every day,'
4 'And forgive us our sins even as we forgive all who are indebted to us, and do not lead us into temptation, but save us from The Evil One.'"
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RE: book of Hebrews: better from Greek, or Aramaic? - by DavidFord - 11-20-2019, 04:10 AM

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