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book of Hebrews: better from Greek, or Aramaic?
#46
"The mashiach is *NOT* the highest power"
Who or what *_is_*: "the almighty power"? "the highest power"?

_The Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch: With the Fragments of the Jerusalem Targum from the Chaldee Volume 2_, by John Wesley Etheridge
https://www.amazon.com/Targums-Onkelos-J...07FD4239S/
http://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentat...-targumim/
On 425 of my hardcopy commenting on Numbers 23, with text copied from
http://www.targum.info/pj/pjnum22-25.htm
The Word of the Lord their God is their help,
and the trumpets of the King Meshiha resound among them:
Unto Eloha, who redeemed and led them out of Mizraim free,
belong power and exaltation, glorification and greatness.

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_The Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch with the Fragments of the Jerusalem Targum from the Chaldee,_ by J. W. Etheridge (1862)
http://targum.info/pj/pjgen1-6.htm
which is linked to from
http://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentat...-targumim/
And the Lord God brought the three unto judgment; and *He said to the serpent,* Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou of all the cattle, and of all the beasts of the field: upon thy belly thou shalt go, and thy feet shall be cut off, and thy skin thou shalt cast away once in seven years; and the poison of death shall be in thy mouth, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between the seed of thy son, and the seed of her sons; and it shall be *when the sons of the woman keep the commandments of the law, they will be prepared to smite thee upon thy head;* but *when they forsake the commandments of the law, thou wilt be ready to wound them in their heel.* Nevertheless *for them there shall be a medicine, but for thee there will be no medicine; and they shall make a remedy for the heel in the days of the King Meshiha.*

[JERUSALEM. And it shall be when the sons of the woman consider the law, and perform (its) instructions, they will be prepared to smite thee on thy head to kill thee; and when the sons of the woman forsake the commandment of the law, and perform not (its) instructions, thou wilt be ready to wound them in their heel, and hurt them. Nevertheless there shall be a medicine for the sons of the woman, but for thee, serpent, there shall be no medicine: but it is to be that for these there shall be a remedy for the heel in the days of the king Meshiha.]
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Is this a book that you are posting here, David?
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The Aramaic Targum to Song of Songs, translated by Jay C. Treat
https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jtreat//song/targum/
1:17 Solomon the prophet said, “How beautiful is the Temple of YY that was built by my hands from cedar! But even more beautiful will be the Temple that is destined to be built in the days of the King, the Messiah, the beams of which will be from the cedars of the Garden of Eden, and the pillars of which will be from fir, juniper, and cypress.”

And indeed, the temple built "in the days of the King, the Messiah" Yeshua the Meshikah was "even more beautiful" than the Solomon-built temple-- see below. It took 83 years to finish the building of Herod's Temple, and it was utterly destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70, only 4 years after its completion.

George Peter Holford's _The Destruction of Jerusalem_ (1805, 1814, 1858) http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/18...proof.html
hat tip: https://www.amazon.com/Destruction-Jerus...967831725/
from PDF http://vladspost.com/pdf/Jews/Destructio...usalem.pdf
The tower last mentioned commanded an excellent view of
the whole temple, the riches grandeur, and elegance of which
it is not in the power of language to describe. Whether we
consider its architecture, its dimensions, its magnificence, its
splendor, or the sacred purposes to which it was dedicated, it
must equally be regarded as the most astonishing fabric that was
ever constructed. It was erected partly on a solid rock, which
was originally steep on every side. The foundations of what was
called the lower temple were 300 cubits in depth, and the stones
of which they were composed, more than sixty feet in length,
while the superstructure contained, of the whitest marble, stones
nearly sixty-eight feet long, more than seven feet high, and nine
broad. The circuit of the whole building was four furlongs; its
height one hundred cubits; one hundred and sixty pillars, each
twenty seven feet high, ornamented and sustained the immense
and ponderous edifice. In the front, spacious and lofty galleries,
wainscoted with cedar, were supported by columns of white
marble, in uniform rows.

In short, says Josephus, nothing could surpass even the exterior
of this temple, for its elegant and curious workmanship.
It was adorned with solid plates of gold that rivaled the beauty
of the rising sun, and were scarcely less dazzling to the eye than
the beams of that luminary. Of those parts of the building which
were not gilt, when viewed from a distance, some, says he,
appeared like pillars of snow, and some, like mountains of
white marble.

The splendour of the interior parts
of the temple corresponded with its external magnificence. It
was decorated and enriched by every thing, that was costly,
elegant and superb. Religious donations and offerings had poured
into this wonderful repository of precious stores from every
part of the world, during many successive ages. In the lower
temple were placed those sacred curiosities, the seven branched
candlestick of pure gold, the table for the shew-bread, and the
altar of incense; the two latter of which were covered with plates
of the same metal. In the sanctuary were several doors fifty-five
cubits high and sixteen in breadth which were all likewise of
gold. Before these doors hung a veil of the most beautiful
Babylonian tapestry, composed of scarlet, blue, and purple, exquisitely
interwoven, and wrought up to the highest degree of art. From
the top of the ceiling depended branches and leaves of vines,
and large clusters of grapes, hanging down five or six feet, all
of gold and of most admirable workmanship.

In addition to these proofs of the splendour and riches of the temple,
may be noticed its eastern gate of pure Corinthian brass more esteemed
even than the precious metals—the golden folding doors of the
chambers—the beautiful carved-work, gilding, and painting of
the galleries—golden vessels, &c. of the sanctuary—the
sacerdotal vestments of scarlet, violet, and purple—the vast wealth
of the treasury—abundance of precious stones, and immense
quantities of all kinds of costly spices and perfumes.

In short, the most valuable and sumptuous of whatever nature, or art,
or opulence, could supply was enclosed within the consecrated
walls of this magnificent and venerable edifice.
So much concerning this celebrated city, and its still more
celebrated temple. We shall now consider our Lord’s prophecies
relating to their destruction. ....

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Compared with Solomon's Temple, God said about the 2nd temple, "The glory of this latter house shall be greater than that of the former." How was the glory of the 2nd temple greater than the glory of Solomon's Temple? (by Yeshua the Meshikha's visit there?)
God also said, "in this place will I give peace." That 2nd temple was destroyed in A.D. 70. When did God "give peace" in the 2nd temple? (A.D. 30?)

Haggai 2 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/haggai/2.htm
1 In the seventh month, in the one and twentieth day of the month, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying:
2 ‘Speak now to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, and to the remnant of the people, saying: 3 Who is left among you that saw this house in its former glory? and how do ye see it now? is not such a one as nothing in your eyes? 4 Yet now be strong, O Zerubbabel, saith the LORD; and be strong, O Joshua, son of Jehozadak, the high priest; and be strong, all ye people of the land, saith the LORD, and work; for I am with you, saith the LORD of hosts. 5 The word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt have I established, and My spirit abideth among you; fear ye not. 6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts: Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; 7 and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. 8 Mine is the silver, and Mine the gold, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 *The glory of this latter house shall be greater than that of the former,* saith the LORD of hosts; and *in this place will I give peace,* saith the LORD of hosts.’

2 Chronicles 5 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/2_chronicles/5.htm
1 Thus all the work that Solomon wrought for the house of the LORD was finished. And Solomon brought in the things that David his father had hallowed; even the silver, and the gold, and all the vessels, and put them in the treasuries of the house of God. ....
13 it came even to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD: ‘for He is good, for His mercy endureth for ever’; that then *the house was filled with a cloud,* even the house of the LORD, 14 so that *the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God.*

2 Chronicles 7 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/2_chronicles/7.htm
1 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt-offering and the sacrifices; and *the glory of the LORD filled the house.* 2 And *the priests could not enter into the house of the LORD, because the glory of the LORD filled the LORD’S house.* 3 And all the children of Israel looked on, when the fire came down, and *the glory of the LORD was upon the house;* and they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and prostrated themselves, and gave thanks unto the LORD; ‘for He is good, for His mercy endureth for ever.’

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Do you agree with me that "the children of Israel" are currently "without sacrifice ... and without ephod"?

Hosea 3 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/hosea/3.htm
4 For the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim; 5 afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall come trembling unto the LORD and to His goodness in the end of days.

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"a book" Not that I know of. I at one point wanted to do a book, but got only as far as posting a very rough draft at and around https://groups.google.com/d/msg/aus.reli...-uGFZ9CjwJ

Is a fiery Gehenna in the Hebrew Bible?
The Psalms Targum: An English Translation, by Edward M. Cook
Psalm 21, http://www.targum.info/pss/ps1.htm
8. Because the King Messiah hopes in the Lord;[110] and through the favor of the Most High he is not shaken.
9. The blow of your hand will reach all your foes; the vengeance of your right hand will find all your enemies.
10. You will make them like a fiery furnace[111] at the time of your anger, O Lord; in his anger he will swallow them up and the inferno of Gehenna will consume them.[112]
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Has God made yet "a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah"? And if so, when?

Jeremiah 31 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/jeremiah/31.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jeremiah/31-31.htm
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant [bə·rîṯ - בְּרִ֥ית - a covenant] with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: ‘Know the LORD’; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

Mat 26:28 (Aramaic Peshitta NT), https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/index....ord-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/index....ear-search
This is my blood of the new covenant [D'DITQA - of the covenant] that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

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"The GOD of Yisrael (Judaism)--Takes NO form"
Do you think God has the ability to take on the appearance of a human, should he want to?
Do you think God has ever taken on the appearance of a human?

Did God wrestle with Jacob aka Israel? If 'no,' with who or what did Jacob wrestle?
Genesis 32 quotes Jacob as saying, "for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Was Jacob misquoted in Genesis 32? Was Jacob accurately quoted, while he was mistaken in thinking that he'd [Jacob]"seen God face to face"?

Genesis 32 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/32.htm
25 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 26 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was strained, as he wrestled with him. 27 And he said: ‘Let me go, for the day breaketh.’ And he said: ‘I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.’ 28 And he said unto him: ‘What is thy name?’ And be said: ‘Jacob.’ 29 And he said: ‘Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel [footnote: That is, He who striveth with God]; for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.’ 30 And Jacob asked him, and said: ‘Tell me, I pray thee, thy name.’ And he said: ‘Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?’ And he blessed him there. 31 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel [footnote: That is, The face of God]: ‘for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.’

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With who or what did Gideon speak with here?:

Judges 6 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/judges/6.htm
11 And the angel of the LORD came, and sat under the terebinth which was in Ophrah, that belonged unto Joash the Abiezrite; and his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him: ‘The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.’ 13 And Gideon said unto him: ‘Oh, my lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all His wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying: Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian.’ 14 And the LORD turned towards him, and said: ‘Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian; have not I sent thee?’ 15 And he said unto him: ‘Oh, my lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house.’ 16 And the LORD said unto him: ‘Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.’ 17 And he said unto him: ‘If now I have found favour in thy sight, then show me a sign that it is thou that talkest with me. 18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my present, and lay it before thee.’ And he said: ‘I will tarry until thou come back.’ 19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of meal; the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the terebinth, and presented it. 20 And the angel of God said unto him: ‘Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.’ And he did so. 21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and *the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.* 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of the LORD; and *Gideon said: ‘Alas, O Lord GOD! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face.’* 23 And *the LORD said unto him: ‘Peace be unto thee; fear not; thou shalt not die.’* 24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it ‘Adonai-shalom’; unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

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What's the identity of "the angel of the LORD" here?:
Exodus 3 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/exodus/3.htm
1 Now Moses was keeping the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the farthest end of the wilderness, and came to the mountain of God, unto Horeb. 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said: ‘I will turn aside now, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.’ 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said: ‘Moses, Moses.’ And he said: ‘Here am I.’ 5 And He said: ‘Draw not nigh hither; put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.’ 6 Moreover He said: ‘I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the LORD said....

In Judges 13:22, Manoah says to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God." Was Manoah correct, or incorrect, in his belief that he and she had seen God?
Judges 13 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/judges/13.htm
3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her:
‘Behold now, thou art barren, and hast not borne; but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. 4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. 5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come upon his head; for the child shall be a Nazirite unto God from the womb; and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.’
6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying:
‘A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of the angel of God, very terrible; and I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name; 7 but he said unto me:
Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing; for the child shall be a Nazirite unto God from the womb to the day of his death.’
8 Then Manoah entreated the LORD, and said:
‘Oh, LORD, I pray Thee, let the man of God whom Thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall do unto the child that shall be born.’
9 And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field; but Manoah her husband was not with her. 10 And the woman made haste, and ran, and told her husband, and said unto him:
‘Behold, the man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me that day.’
11 And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and said unto him:
‘Art thou the man that spokest unto the woman?’
And he said:
‘I am.’
12 And Manoah said:
‘Now when thy word cometh to pass, what shall be the rule for the child, and what shall be done with him?’
13 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah:
‘Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware. 14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the grapevine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing; all that I commanded her let her observe.’
15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD:
‘I pray thee, let us detain thee, that we may make ready a kid for thee.’
16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah:
‘Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread; and if thou wilt make ready a burnt-offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD.’
For Manoah knew not that he was the angel of the LORD. 17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD:
‘What is thy name, that when thy words come to pass we may do thee honour?’
18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him:
‘Wherefore askest thou after my name, seeing it is hidden?’
19 So Manoah took the kid with the meal-offering, and offered it upon the rock unto the LORD; and [the angel] did wondrously, and Manoah and his wife looked on.
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar; and Manoah and his wife looked on; and they fell on their faces to the ground. 21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah or to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. 22 And Manoah said unto his wife:
‘We shall surely die, because we have seen God.’
23 But his wife said unto him:
‘If the LORD were pleased to kill us, He would not have received a burnt-offering and a meal-offering at our hand, neither would He have shown us all these things, nor would at this time have told such things as these.’
24 And the woman bore a son, and called his name Samson; and the child grew, and the LORD blessed him. 25 And the spirit of the LORD began to move him in Mahaneh-dan, between Zorah and Eshtaol.

Did Hagar see God? or merely an angel?
Genesis 16 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/16.htm
6 But Abram said unto Sarai: ‘Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her that which is good in thine eyes.’ And Sarai dealt harshly with her, and she fled from her face. 7 And *the angel of the LORD* found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 8 And he said: ‘Hagar, Sarai’s handmaid, whence camest thou? and whither goest thou?’ And she said: ‘I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.’ 9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her: ‘Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.’ 10 And *the angel of the LORD said unto her: ‘I will greatly multiply thy seed,* that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her: ‘Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son; and thou shalt call his name Ishmael [footnote: That is, God heareth], because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.’ 13 And she called the name of the LORD that spoke unto her, Thou art [footnote: Heb. El roi] a God of seeing; for she said: *‘Have I even here seen Him that seeth Me?’* 14 Wherefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi [footnote: That is, The well of the Living One who seeth me]; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered. 15 And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. 16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.

In Genesis 22:11+, did God talk to Abraham? or merely an angel?
Genesis 22 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/22.htm
1 And it came to pass after these things, that *God* did prove Abraham, and *said unto him: ‘Abraham’;* and he said: ‘Here am I.’ 2 And He said: ‘Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.’ ....
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And *the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven,* and said: ‘Abraham, Abraham.’ And he said: ‘Here am I.’ 12 And he said: ‘Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing *thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.’*
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in the thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt-offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Adonai-jireh [footnote: That is, The LORD seeth]; as it is said to this day: ‘In the mount where the LORD is seen.’ 15 And *the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: ‘By Myself have I sworn, saith the LORD,* because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, 17 that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because *thou hast hearkened to My voice.’*
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"human sacrifice is FORBIDDEN IN THE TORAH, so it's highly doubtful that some man died for your sins"
Misguided humans killed Yeshua the Meshikha. Is animal sacrifice permitted by the Torah? If 'yes,' to what end/purpose?

"I think the Torah is not clear as to why G-d desires animal sacrifice"
Did God at one point desire animal sacrifices?
Does God currently desire animal sacrifices?
Are you doing animal sacrifices?
"To me, the idea of giving back to G-d by sacrificing an animal does not make any sense.... Why would G-d permit it when what really matters to G-d is giving Him your heart, and obeying His laws?"
Do you disagree with anything below?

Matthew 22 (based on the Paul Younan translation from the original Aramaic), http://dukhrana.com
34. But the Pharisees, when they heard that he [Yeshua the Meshikha] had silenced the Zaduqia, they assembled together. 35. And one of them who knew the namusa [rules; customs; traditions; Torah] asked testing him, 36. "Malpana [Teacher], which commandment in the namusa is greatest?" 37. And Yeshua said to him,
"That 'you should love MrYa [Master YHWH] Allahak [your Allaha]
with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might and with all your mind.'
38. This is the first and the greatest commandment.
39. And the second is like it:
that 'you should love your neighbor as yourself.'
40. On these two commandments hang the Aurayta [Torah] and the nabia [prophets]."

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How many gods were involved in the creation of man? ('let us make man in our image')
"He was speaking to the angels. It's the royal 'We'"
Do you think God made man in the image of angels? What is "the royal 'We'"?
In Gen 3:22, of what does "us" consist?

Genesis 1 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/1.htm
26 And God said: *‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;* and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.’ 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Genesis 3:22 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/3.htm
And the LORD God said: ‘Behold, *the man is become as one of us,* to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.’

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What's the identity of the individual Mal 3:1 said would "suddenly come to the temple of the LORD"? ("the Lord, whom ye seek"?)
What's the identity of the individual who "is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap; For he shall return to refine and purify the people like silver"?
Re: God's saying, "I will come near to you for judgment," did that already occur, and if so, when?

Malachi 3 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/MAL/mal3.htm
1 BEHOLD, I will send my messenger and he shall prepare the way before me;
and *he for whom you are waiting shall suddenly come to the temple of the LORD,*
*even the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight;*
behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts.
2 But who can endure the day of his coming?
And who can stand when he appears?
For *he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;*
3 For *he shall return to refine and purify the people like silver;*
and *he shall cleanse the sons of Levi and purge them like gold and silver, that they may offer to the LORD an offering in righteousness.*
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant to the LORD, as in the days of old and as in former years.
5 And *I will come near to you for judgment;*
and *I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely and against those who defraud the laborer of his wages, the stranger, the orphan, and the widow;*
and those who turn aside him who turns to me, and do not fear me, says the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/malachi/3.htm
1 Behold, I send My messenger,
And he shall clear the way before Me;
And *the Lord, whom ye seek,*
*Will suddenly come to His temple,*
And the messenger of the covenant,
Whom ye delight in,
Behold, he cometh,
Saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming?
And who shall stand when he appeareth?
For he is like a refiner’s fire,
And like fullers’ soap;
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver;
And he shall purify the sons of Levi,
And purge them as gold and silver;
And there shall be they that shall offer unto the LORD
Offerings in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem
Be pleasant unto the LORD,
As in the days of old,
And as in ancient years.
5 And *I will come near to you to judgment;*
And *I will be a swift witness*
*Against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers,*
*And against false swearers;*
*And against those that oppress* the hireling in his wages,
The widow, and the fatherless,
And that turn aside the stranger from his right,
And fear not Me,
Saith the LORD of hosts.
Reply
#51
Do you think Yeshua Meshikha did any of the things it was expected that the Messiah would do?
What do you make of this Qumran material?:

"Walking the Way of Life or the Way of Death," by Jonathan A Draper
https://www.academia.edu/9153603/Walking...y_of_Death
Frag. 2 col. ii
1 *[for the heav]ens and the earth will listen to his Messiah,*
2 [and all] that is in them will not turn away from the holy precepts.
3 Be encouraged, you who are seeking the Lord in his service! Blank
4 Will you not, perhaps, encounter the Lord in it, all those who hope in their heart?
5 For *the Lord* will observe the devout, and call the just by name,
6 and upon the poor he will place his spirit, and the faithful he will renew with his strength.
7 For he will honour the devout upon the throne of eternal royalty,
8 freeing prisoners, *giving sight to the blind, straightening out the twisted.*
9 Ever shall I cling to those who hope. In his mercy he will jud[ge,]
10 and from no-one shall the fruit [of] good [deeds] be delayed,
11 and *the Lord will perform marvellous acts such as have not existed,* just as he sa[id]
12 for *he will heal the badly wounded and will make the dead live,* he will proclaim good news to the meek
13 give lavishly [to the need]y, lead the exiled and enrich the hungry. ....
(4QMessianic Apocalypse, 4Q521, Martinez).

Luke 7 (based on Paul Younan's translation of the original Aramaic), http://dukhrana.com
18. And his talmida reported all these things to Yukhanan. 19. And Yukhanan called two of his talmida and he sent them to Yeshua and said, "Are you he that is to come or should we wait for another?" 21. And they came to Yeshua and said to him,
"Yukhanan the baptizer sent us to you and said, '(Are) you he that is to come or should we wait for another?'" 21. And in that same hour, he healed many of their sickness and of plagues and of evil rukha [spirits], and he gave sight to many blind. 22. And Yeshua answered and said to them,
"Go tell Yukhanan everything that you have seen and heard,
that *the blind see*
and *the lame walk*
and the lepers are cleansed
and the deaf hear
and *the dead arise*
and the poor are given hope.
23. And blessed is he who is not offended at me."
Reply
#52
When was the last time that Levites offered God burnt offerings?
Is it the case that there *isn't* "cut off unto David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel"? If 'yes,' what's the name of the descendant of King David that was the last to be seated upon the throne of David?

Jeremiah 33 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/jeremiah/33.htm
14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and concerning the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time,
*Will I cause a shoot of righteousness to grow up unto David;*
*And he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.*
16 In those days shall Judah be saved,
And Jerusalem shall dwell safely;
And this is the name whereby she shall be called,
The LORD is our righteousness.
17 For thus saith the LORD:
*There shall not be cut off unto David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;*
18 *neither shall there be cut off unto the priests the Levites a man before Me to offer burnt-offerings,* and to burn meal-offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying:
20 Thus saith the LORD:
*If ye can break My covenant with the day,*
And My covenant with the night,
So that there should not be day and night in their season;
21 *Then may also My covenant be broken with David My servant,*
*That he should not have a son to reign upon his throne;*
*And with the Levites the priests, My ministers.*
22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered,
Neither the sand of the sea measured;
So will I multiply the seed of David My servant,
And the Levites that minister unto Me.

23 And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying:
24 ‘Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying:
The two families which the LORD did choose, He hath cast them off?
and they contemn My people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25 Thus saith the LORD:
If My covenant be not with day and night, if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26 then will I also cast away the seed of Jacob, and of David My servant, so that I will not take of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; for I will cause their captivity to return, and will have compassion on them.’
Reply
#53
'Jesus TAUGHT others that it is OK for a man to chose to be a lifelong celibate, in violation of Gen 9:6-7'
Did Yeshua teach in violation of Deut 24:1-2? In the Mt 5 material below, how many times does Yeshua teach against the Torah?

Deut 24 (KJV), https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=KJV
1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

Matthew 5 (based on Paul Younan's translation of the original Aramaic), http://dukhrana.com
21. You have heard that it was said to those before,
you should not kill,
and all that kill are condemned to dina [dina].
22. But I say to you that,
anyone who provokes to anger his brother without cause
is condemned to dina,
and anyone who should say to his brother, 'Raca!' [(I) spit (on you); or: (you are) spit. Aramaic to Arabic to English produced: foul one]
is condemned to the assembly,
and anyone who should say, "Lela!"[(you are) a nursemaid/ coward]
is condemned to the fire of Gehenna. ....
27. You have heard that it has been said that,
'you should not commit adultery.'
28. But I say to you that,
all who that looks at a woman as lustfully at once has committed adultery in his heart.
....
31. It has been said that,
'he that puts away his wife shall give to her a kethaba [letter/note] of divorce.'
32. But I say to you that,
any who puts away his wife aside from a case of fornication makes her commit adultery--
and (he) who takes a divorced woman commits adultery.
33. Again, you have heard that it has been said to those before that,
'you should not lie in your oath,
but complete your oath to MrYa [Master YHWH].'
34. But I say to you,
you should not say I swear--
not by heaven
because (that) is the throne of Allaha,
35. and not by the earth
because (it) is the footstool that is beneath his feet,
and not by Urishlim
because (it) is the medintha [city] of the great Malka [King].
36. And you should not swear by your head,
because you are not able to make in it one part of the hair black or white.
37. Your word should be but 'yes, yes' and 'no, no.'
Anything which is more than these is from evil.
38. You have heard that it has been said that,
'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39. But I say to you that,
you should not stand against evil,
but who hits you upon your right cheek,
turn also to him the other.
40. And he that desires to go to court with you and take your coat,
leave to him also your cloak.
41. He that compels you to go one mile,
go with him two.
42. He that asks you (to) give to him,
and he that desires to borrow from you,
you should not deny him.
43. You have heard that it has been said to,
'rkhm [be friendly to, be compassionate toward] your neighbor
and hate your enemy.'
44. But I say to you,
akhbu [love] your enemies,
and bless those that curse you,
and do that which is pleasing to those who hate you,
and pray for those that take you by force and persecute you,
45. so that you may be the sons of your Father who is in heaven,
He that raises shemsheh [His sun]
upon the taba [good]
and upon the bisha [evil],
and causes to descend metreh [His rain]
upon the kana [just]
and upon the aiola [unjust].
46. For if you love those that love you,
what reward have you?
Do not even the tax-collectors do this?
47. And if you greet in shlama [peace] only your brothers,
what more are you doing?
Do not even the tax-collectors do this?
48. You therefore be perfect,
as your Father who is in heaven is perfect."
Reply
#54
The New Testament was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. The original Aramaic has "MRYA," which almost-always means 'Master YHWH.' The Greek translation uniformly turned MRYA, and the commonplace 'lord/ sir' into 'kurios'/ 'lord.' Yeshua the Meshikha is Master YHWH.

From https://www.thearamaicscriptures.com/maryayhwh.html
Here below are the total 215 instances of the word/title "MarYa" {The Lord-Ya} or, {The Lord-YHWH} in The Eastern Peshitta & Western Peshitto Aramaic New Testament Books, where it appears in 49 of those places, in the list below, (In Red) clearly showing that Eshu Meshikha {Yeshua, The Anointed One/The Messiah) IS MarYa {The Lord-Ya} or, {The Lord-YHWH}....

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"To become a Jew you take on the responsibility of keeping Torah"
Do you know of anyone who adheres to Torah?
Including its prohibition against mixing materials in clothing?
Deut 22:11 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/deuteronomy/22.htm
Thou shalt not wear a mingled stuff, wool and linen together.

Including Torah's requirement that males appear before God 3 times a year?
Exodus 23:17 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/exodus/23.htm
Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

Which if any of the executions prescribed below do you approve of?
Leviticus 20 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/leviticus/20.htm
9 For whatsoever man there be that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 And the man that lieth with his father’s wife—he hath uncovered his father’s nakedness—both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 And if a man lie with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have wrought corruption; their blood shall be upon them. 13 And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 And *if a man take with his wife also her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they;* that there be no wickedness among you.
Reply
#55
"read Isaiah 42:8 48:11 and compare with Matthew 28:18 or read Isaiah 43:11"
What do you want me to infer from that comparing?
Who or what is "my Word" in the Targum for Isaiah 48:11-16? Who or what is "His Word" in Targum Isaiah 48:16, "And now the Lord God, and His Word, hath sent me"?
What's the identity of the individual described in Daniel 7:13-14?

Isaiah 43:10-11 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/isaiah/43.htm
10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD,
*And My servant whom I have chosen;*
That ye may know and believe Me, and understand That I am He;
Before Me there was no God formed,
Neither shall any be after Me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD;
And beside Me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (Targum). Jonathan ben Uzziel authored 2,000 years ago an Aramaic Targum i.e. paraphrase & interpretation of Isaiah, which Tzvi Nassi aka Christian William Henry Pauli translated. _The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel]_ (1871), translated by C.W.H. Pauli
https://archive.org/stream/chaldeeparaph...g_djvu.txt
hat tip: _Targum Isaiah In English with Parallel Jewish and Christian Texts_ (2012), 248pp.
https://www.amazon.com/Tsiyon-Targum-Eng...96794712X/
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord,
*and my servant, the Messiah, in whom is my delight,*
in order that ye may know, and that ye may
believe in me, and understand that I am He who
was from the beginning ; yea, ages after ages are
mine, and beside me there is no god.
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and beside me there
is no saviour.

Isaiah 48:11 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/isaiah/48.htm
For Mine own sake, for Mine own sake, will I do it;
For how should it be profaned?
And My glory will I not give to another.

Isaiah 48:11-16 (Targum). _The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel]_ (1871), translated by C.W.H. Pauli
https://archive.org/stream/chaldeeparaph...g_djvu.txt
11 For my name's sake,
*for the sake of my Word,*
that it may not be profaned, I will do it,
and my glory in which I have revealed myself unto you,
I will not give to another people.
12 *Hearken unto my Word,* ye who are of the
house of Jacob and Israel, my called, I am He,
who was of old, yea, ages after ages are mine,
and besides me there is no God.
13 Yea, *by my Word I have laid the foundation of the earth,*
and by my might I have suspended the heavens :
when I call unto them,
they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear :
who among them hath declared these things ever since
the Lord loved Israel?
He will do His pleasure on Babylon,
and He will reveal the strength of His arm on the Chaldeans.
15 *I by my Word have made a covenant* with Abraham your father ;
yea, I have called him,
I have brought him into the land of the place of my Shekinah,
and I prospered his way.
16 *Come ye near to my Word ; hear ye this ;
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning ;
at the time when the nations separated themselves from fearing me,
at that time I brought Abraham your father to my service.
The prophet saith:
And now *the Lord God, and His Word, hath sent me.*

Isaiah 42:1 (Targum). _The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel]_ (1871), translated by C.W.H. Pauli
https://archive.org/stream/chaldeeparaph...g_djvu.txt
*Behold, my servant, the Messiah,* whom I bring,
my chosen in whom one delights :
*as for my Word, I will put my Holy Spirit upon Him ;*
He shall reveal my judgment unto the nations.

Isaiah 42 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/isaiah/42.htm
1 Behold My servant, whom I uphold;
Mine elect, in whom My soul delighteth;
I have put My spirit upon him,
He shall make the right to go forth to the nations.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up,
Nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break,
And the dimly burning wick shall he not quench;
He shall make the right to go forth according to the truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be crushed,
Till he have set the right in the earth;
And the isles shall wait for his teaching.
5 Thus saith God the LORD,
He that created the heavens, and stretched them forth,
He that spread forth the earth and that which cometh out of it,
He that giveth breath unto the people upon it,
And spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness,
And have taken hold of thy hand,
And kept thee, and set thee for a covenant of the people,
For a light of the nations;
7 To open the blind eyes,
To bring out the prisoners from the dungeon,
And them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house.
8 I am the LORD, that is My name;
And My glory will I not give to another,
Neither My praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass,
And new things do I declare;
Before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the LORD a new song,
And His praise from the end of the earth;
Ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein,
The isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice,
The villages that Kedar doth inhabit;
Let the inhabitants of Sela exult,
Let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the LORD,
And declare His praise in the islands.
13 The LORD will go forth as a mighty man,
He will stir up jealousy like a man of war;
He will cry, yea, He will shout aloud,
He will prove Himself mighty against His enemies.

Luke 4 (based on Paul Younan's translation of the original Aramaic), http://dukhrana.com
16. And he came to Nasrath where he had been raised, and he entered into the assembly as he was accustomed on the day of the Shabbata [Sabbath] and stood up to read. 17. And the scroll of the nabia Eshaya [prophet Isaiah] was given to him, and Yeshua opened the scroll and found the place where it is written,
18-19. "d'MrYa Rukheh [of Master YHWH His Spirit] is upon me and because of this,
He has anointed me to declare hope to the poor,
and He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted
and to preach release to the captives
and sight to the blind,
and to free those (who are) oppressed with forgiveness,
and to preach the acceptable year of MrYa [Master YHWH]."
20. And he rolled up the scroll and gave it to the minister and went (and) sat down. And all of those in the assembly-- their eyes were fixed on him. 21. And he began to say to them that,
"This Kethaba [Scripture] in your ears is fulfilled today."

Matthew 28:18 (based on Paul Younan's translation of the original Aramaic), http://dukhrana.com
And Yeshua drew near and spoke with them and said to them,
"All shultana [authoritiy] in heaven and on earth is given to me.
And as Abbi [my father] has sent me,
I send you.

Daniel 7 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/daniel/7.htm
13 I saw in the night visions,
And, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven
One like unto a son of man,
And he came even to the Ancient of days,
And he was brought near before Him.
14 And there was given him dominion,
And glory, and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and languages
Should serve him;
His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,
And his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Who or what is "the Word" in Targum Isaiah 1:16-20?
Isaiah 1:16-20 (Targum). Jonathan ben Uzziel authored 2,000 years ago an Aramaic Targum i.e. paraphrase & interpretation of Isaiah, which Tzvi Nassi aka Christian William Henry Pauli translated. _The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel]_ (1871), translated by C.W.H. Pauli
https://archive.org/stream/chaldeeparaph...g_djvu.txt
hat tip: _Targum Isaiah In English with Parallel Jewish and Christian Texts_ (2012), 248pp.
https://www.amazon.com/Tsiyon-Targum-Eng...96794712X/
16 Retum to the law;
make you clean from your sins ;
put away the evil of your doings
from before the presence of my Word ;
cease to do evil ;
17 Learn to do well ;
seek judgment ;
judge ye justice for him who is suffering violence ;
do justice to the orphan ;
hear ye the cry of the widow.
18 Then, when ye return to the law,
ye shall pray before me,
and I will grant your petition,
saith the Lord.
Though your sins be stained as with dye,
they shall be white as snow ;
though they be red like crimson,
they shall be pure as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient to my Word,
ye shall eat the good of the land.
20 But if ye refuse, and will not be obedient to my Word,
ye shall be slain with the sword of the enemy ;
for the Word of the Lord has decreed it thus.
Reply
#56
Re: Isaiah 11's "there shall come forth a shoot out of the stem of Jesse," who was that shoot?
Re: "to him shall the Gentiles seek," who was that?

Isaiah 11 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/ISA/isa11.htm
1 *AND there shall come forth a shoot out of the stem of Jesse,*
and a branch shall grow out of his roots;
2 And he shall be at peace,
and *the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him,*
the spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the spirit of counsel and might,
the spirit of knowledge and of the reverence of the LORD;
3 And shall shine forth in the reverence of the LORD;
and he shall not judge after that which his eyes see,
neither reprove after that which his ears hear;
4 But with justice shall he judge the poor,
and reprove with uprightness for the meek of the earth;
and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth,
and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins,
and faithfulness the girdle of his waist.
6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the ox shall feed together;
and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together;
and their young ones shall grow up together;
and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the suckling child shall play with the serpent,
and the weaned child shall put his hand into the hole of the asp.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain;
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
10 *And on that day there shall be a root of Jesse,*
which shall stand as an ensign to the peoples;
*to him shall the Gentiles seek;*
and his rest shall be glorious.

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Re: Micah 5's "Bethlehem Ephratah, though you are little among the thousands of towns of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth a ruler to govern Israel; whose goings forth have been predicted from of old, from eternity.... his dominion shall extend to the ends of the earth," who was that ruler?

Micah 5 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/MIC/mic5.htm
1 NOW you shall go forth in a raid,
O daughter of mighty raiders,
for they have risen against us and have smitten the shepherd of Israel with a rod upon his cheek.
2 *And you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you are little among the thousands of towns of Judah,*
*yet out of you shall come forth a ruler to govern Israel;*
*whose goings forth have been predicted from of old, from eternity.*
3 Henceforth he will deliver them, until the time when she who is in travail has brought forth;
then the remnant of his brethren shall return to the children of Israel.
4 *And he shall arise and rule in the strength of the LORD,*
in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God;
and the people shall return;
for now *his dominion shall extend to the ends of the earth.*

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Hosea 2 discusses one party of a marriage covenant with God committing rampant adultery, to the point that God remarks about Israel, "she is not my wife, neither am I her husband." God will enter a new marriage covenant with the unfaithful party: "you shall call me, my husband.... I will betroth you to me for ever; yea, I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice and in lovingkindness and in mercy. So I will betroth you to me in faithfulness; and you shall know the LORD.... and I will call La-ammi, not my people, Ammi, my people." Has that new covenant occurred?

Hosea 2 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/HOS/hos2.htm
1 SAY to your brethren, Ammi, my people;
and to your sisters, Rekhimtha, beloved.
2 Plead with your mother, plead;
for *she is not my wife, neither am I her husband;*
let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight
and her adulteries from between her breasts,
3 Lest I strip her naked and leave her bare as in the day that she was born,
and make her as a wilderness and as a dry land,
and cause her to die with thirst.
4 And I will not have mercy upon her children;
for they are the children of whoredoms.
5 For their mother has played the harlot;
she that conceived them has done shamefully;
for she said, I will go after my lovers who give me my bread and my water,
my clothes and my linen, my oil and everything that I need.
6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up her way with thorns,
and fence her paths so that she shall not find her paths.
7 And she shall follow after her lovers and shall not overtake them,
and she shall seek them, but shall not find them;
then shall she say, I will return and go to my first husband;
for it was better with me then than now.
8 For she did not know that
it was I who gave her wheat and wine and oil,
and multiplied her silver and gold,
some of which they made for the images of Baal.
9 Therefore I will return and take away my wheat in its time and my wine in its season,
and will take away my wool and my linen which I gave her to cover her nakedness.
10 And now I will uncover her nakedness in the presence of her lovers,
and none shall deliver her out of my hands.

11 *And I will cause all her mirth to cease,*
*her feast days, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.*
12 And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees, of which she said,
These are presents which my lovers have given me;
and I will make them a forest,
and the beasts of the field shall eat them.
13 *And I will punish her for the evils of the days of Baal,*
*in which she burned incense to him*
and decked herself with her earrings and her pearls
*and went after her lovers and forgot me, says the LORD.*
14 Therefore, behold, I will comfort her,
and bring her into the wilderness,
and speak lovingly to her.
15 And I will give her vineyards from thence,
and the valley of Achor that it may open her understanding;
and she shall be humbled there,
as in the days of her youth,
and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
16 And it shall be on that day, says the LORD, that
*you shall call me, my husband,*
*and shall call me no more Baali.* [my baal/lord]
17 For I will take away the name of Baal out of her mouth,
and they shall no more remember his name.
18 And on that day I will make a covenant for them
with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of the air
and with the creeping things of the ground;
and I will do away with the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth,
and I will make them to dwell in safety.
19 *And I will betroth you to me for ever;*
*yea, I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice*
*and in lovingkindness and in mercy.*
20 *So I will betroth you to me in faithfulness;*
*and you shall know the LORD.*
21 And it shall come to pass on that day, says the LORD,
I will answer the heavens,
and they shall answer the earth;
22 And the earth shall answer the grain and the wine and the oil;
and they shall answer Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her for myself in the earth;
and I will have mercy on La-ethrakhmath, not beloved,
*and I will call La-ammi, not my people, Ammi, my people,*
and they shall say, Thou art my God.

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Re: Isaiah 4, has God "washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion... by the spirit of judgment" yet?
Has God "purged the bloodshed from the midst of Jerusalem... by the spirit of purging" yet?

Isaiah 4 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/ISA/isa4.htm
2 In that day shall the glory and honor of the LORD shine forth,
and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for *the remnant of Israel.*
3 And it shall come to pass, that
*he who is left in Zion,*
*and he who remains in Jerusalem,*
*shall be called holy,*
even every one who is written among the living in Jerusalem,
4 *When the LORD shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,*
*and shall have purged the bloodshed from the midst of Jerusalem,*
*by the spirit of judgment,*
*and by the spirit of purging.*
5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, round about,
a cloud by day,
and the smoke and shining of a flaming fire by night;
for the glory of the LORD shall be a shelter over all.
6 And there shall be a shelter for a shade in the day time from the heat,
and for a place of refuge,
and for a shelter
from the storm
and from the rain.

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Re: Daniel 7, what's the identity of the "one like the Son of man"?

Daniel 7 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/DAN/dan7.htm
13 I saw in the night visions, and behold,
*one like the Son of man came upon the clouds of heaven,*
and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him before him.
14 *And there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom,*
*that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him;*
*his dominion is an everlasting dominion,*
*which shall not pass away,*
and his kingdom is one that shall not be destroyed.

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Re: "I will raise up for David a righteous Heir," who was that-- what's his name?
Jeremiah 23 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/JER/jer23.htm
5 Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when *I will raise up for David a righteous Heir, and he shall reign over the kingdom with understanding, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.*
6 *In his days Judah shall be saved* and Israel shall dwell securely;
and this is the name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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Re: "they shall serve the LORD their God and David their king whom I will raise up," when did that occur?
Jeremiah 30 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/JER/jer30.htm
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God
and David their king whom I will raise up for them.
....
21 And their king shall be one of themselves,
and their governors shall come forth from among themselves;
and I will cause him to draw near,
and he shall approach to me;
for I will turn his heart towards me, says the LORD.
22 And you shall be my people,
and I will be your God.

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Re: "I will cause an heir of righteousness to rise up to David; and he shall rule over the kingdom," when did that occur?
Jeremiah 33 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/JER/jer33.htm
14 Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will perform the good things which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and concerning the house of Judah, says the LORD.
15 In those days and at that time *I will cause an heir of righteousness to rise up to David;*
*and he shall rule over the kingdom and shall have understanding and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.*
16 *In those days Judah shall be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely;*
and this is the name by which they shall call him: The LORD our righteousness.

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Re: Targum Lamentations 4:22, "Zion... will be freed by the hands of the King Messiah," when did that occur?
Targum Lamentations in English, translated by C.M.M. Brady
http://targuman.org/targum-lamentations/...n-english/
22 And after this your iniquity will be finished, O Congregation of Zion and you will be freed by the hands of the King Messiah and Elijah[3] the High Priest and the Lord will no longer exile you. And at that time I will punish your iniquities, wicked Rome, built in Italy and filled with crowds of Edomites. And the Persians will come and oppress you and destroy you because your sins have been made known before the Lord.
[3] Following Solger which reads ואליהו

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What's the identity of the King Messiah referred to here?:
Ezekiel 17 (with Rashi commentary), https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo...rashi=true
22 So says the Lord God:
And I Myself will take from the lofty top of the cedar,
and I will place [it];
*I will crop off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one,*
*and I Myself will plant it upon a high and lofty mountain.* ....
*And I Myself will take: And I will take the King Messiah.*
and I will place [it]: As the Targum renders: and I will establish him.
a tender one: It is customary to graft only from the tender [sprigs] that grew the previous year, called grayfe in Old French, a shoot, graft.
and lofty: Heb. וְתָלוּל, from the word mound, תֵּל, for a mound is usually high and lofty; amonceler in French, to heap up.

23 In the mountain of the height of Israel I will plant it,
and it will bear boughs and bring forth fruit and become a sturdy cedar,
and under it shall dwell all birds of every feather;
in the shade of the branches thereof shall they dwell. ....
shall they dwell: Heb. תִּשְּׁכֹּנָה. The ‘dagesh’ in the ‘nun’ serves instead of a second ‘nun,’ as though it were written תִּשּׁכֹּנְנָה.

24 And all the trees of the field will recognize that I, the Lord, have lowered the high tree,
have raised aloft the low tree;
that I have dried up the green tree,
and have made the dry tree blossom.
I, the Lord, have spoken, and I will accomplish it." ....
I… have lowered the high tree: The nations that were ruling over Israel.
I have dried up the green tree: Zedekiah and his seed.
and have made the dry tree blossom: Jehoiachin, who was exiled without children, will beget Zerubbabel in Babylon, and he will be the governor of Judea, [appointed] to rule.

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Re: "a man whose name is the Shoot... and who shall... build the temple of the LORD... and he shall bear the glory," what's the name of that man?
Zechariah 6 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/zechariah/6.htm
9 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:
10 ‘Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, that are come from Babylon; and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah; 11 yea, take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set the one upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest; 12 and speak unto him, saying:
Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying: *Behold, a man whose name is the Shoot,*
*and who shall shoot up out of his place,* *and build the temple of the LORD;*
13 even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
*and he shall bear the glory,*
*and shall sit and rule upon his throne;*
and there shall be a priest before his throne;
and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

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At what times in history did "the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim"? When did "the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king"? And what is the name of that king?
Hosea 3 (JPS Tanakh 1917), https://biblehub.com/jps/hosea/3.htm
1 And the LORD said unto me:
‘Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend and an adulteress,
even as the LORD loveth the children of Israel,
though they turn unto other gods,
and love cakes of raisins.
2 So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver and a homer of barley, and a half-homer of barley; 3 and I said unto her:
‘Thou shalt sit solitary for me many days;
thou shalt not play the harlot,
and thou shalt not be any man’s wife;
nor will I be thine.’
4 *For the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days* *without king, and without prince,*
*and without sacrifice, and without pillar,*
*and without ephod or teraphim;*
5 *afterward shall the children of Israel return,*
*and seek the LORD their God,*
*and David their king;*
and shall come trembling unto the LORD
and to His goodness in the end of days.
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#57
"animal sacrifice is not required for the forgiveness of sins. Hosea 14:3" Do you think that following the prayer request posed to God with [MT Hosea 14:3]"Say, 'You [God] shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips,' God answered, 'Yes, you can now substitute the offering of your lips-- the sacrifice system detailed in the Torah is now unnecessary'?
Do you want Temple sacrifices started up again? How confident are you that "[the offering of]" belongs there in rendering the Masoretic Hebrew into English? The Masoretic is recent; how confident are you that "bulls" was present in Hosea over 2,000 years ago? (The LXX into English produced "the fruit of our lips," and the Peshitta Tanakh into English produced [Lamsa]"the prayer of your lips" and [Bauscher]"the fruit of your lips.") The Targum doesn't say words can replace sacrifices.
Sacrifices were done into the temple until the time it was destroyed, which occurred by the end of A.D. 70. Are you aware of *anybody* who said prior to the Temple's destruction, 'sacrifices are no longer necessary'?
Is "render bulls our lips" sensical? Does it appear *anywhere* else in the Masoretic? Is "return the fruit of our lips" sensical?

Hosea 14, from the Masoretic
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo...ter-14.htm 2 Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled in your iniquity.
3 Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, "You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and *let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips.*
4 Assyria shall not save us; we will not ride on horses, nor will we say any longer, our gods, to the work of our hands, for in You, by Whom the orphan is granted mercy."

Hosea 14 (Brenton Septuagint Translation), https://biblehub.com/sep/hosea/14.htm
1 Return, O Israel, to the Lord thy God; for the people have fallen through thine iniquities.
2 Take with you words, and turn to the Lord your God: speak to him, that ye may not receive the reward of unrighteousness, but that ye may *receive good things:* *and we will render in return the fruit of our lips.*
3 Assur shall never save us; we will not mount on horseback; we will no longer say to the works of our hands, Our gods. He who is in thee shall pity the orphan.

Hosea 14 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/HOS/hos14.htm
1 O ISRAEL, return to the LORD your God;
for you have fallen by your iniquity.
2 Pledge loyalty, and turn to the LORD your God;
and pray to him, that he may forgive your iniquity and receive blessings;
then *he will recompense you for the prayer of your lips.*
3 And say, Assyria shall not save us;
we will not ride upon horses;
neither will we call any more the work of our hands, gods;
for thou wilt have mercy upon the fatherless.

Hosea 14 (Peshitta Tanakh, David Bauscher translation)
http://www.lulu.com/shop/david-bauscher/...61203.html
2 Turn, Israel, to LORD JEHOVAH your God, because you have been subverted by your evil
3 Take for yourself words and be converted to LORD JEHOVAH your God and speak to him that he may forgive you your evil, and receive good, and *he shall reward you the fruit of your lips*

KJV, https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch...ersion=KJV
Proverbs 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the *fruit of his mouth;*
and with *the increase of his lips* shall he be filled.
Isaiah 57:19 I create the *fruit of the lips;*
Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near,
saith the Lord; and I will heal him.
Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us *offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.*

KJV, https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch...ersion=KJV
Proverbs 12:14 A man shall be satisfied with good by *the fruit of his mouth:*
and the recompence of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.
Proverbs 13:2 A man shall eat good by *the fruit of his mouth:*
but the soul of the transgressors shall eat violence.

_The Targum of the Minor Prophets_ (The Aramaic Bible, Vol 14) (1989), 259pp., 60-61
https://www.amazon.com/Targum-Minor-Prop...814654894/
2. Return, O Israel, to the fear of the Lord your God, for you have fallen because of your sin.
3. Bring with you words of confession and return to the worship of the Lord. Say before him, "It is near before you to forgive iniquities", then we shall be accepted as good. Let the words of our lips be accepted before you with favour like bullocks on your altar!

For further reading:
_Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Theological Objections Vol. 2_ by Michael Brown (2000), 332pp., 93-94, 282-283.
https://www.amazon.com/Answering-Jewish-...801063345/
_Refuting Rabbinic Objections to Christianity & Messianic Prophecies_ by Eitan Bar (2019), 311pp., 152-156.
https://www.amazon.com/Refuting-Objectio...792912900/
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#58
"Jesus was a Jew not a Greek" Yes. "All the New Testament is written in Greek 70- 100 years later" The vast bulk of the NT-- including Revelation-- was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. "Where are the original documents, written in Hebrew and Aramaic?" The Assyrian Church of the East has faithfully transmitted the Aramaic through the centuries (exception: the 'Western Five' books). Some translated-from-Aramaic renditions of the NT are mentioned at
https://tentmaker.org/forum/judgement-an...nslations/
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#59
Who if anyone is doing these days what's described below?
Leviticus 16 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/LEV/lev16.htm
5 And he shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering.
6 And Aaron shall offer the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself and for his house.
7 And he shall take the two goats and present them alive before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Azazael.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD’S lot fell and offer it for a sin offering.
10 But the goat on which the lot of Azazael fell shall be presented alive before the LORD to make an atonement with it and to send it away to Azazael into the wilderness.
....
15 Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering which is for the people and bring its blood within the veil, and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat and before the mercy seat;
16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel and because of their transgressions in all their sins;
and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
....
20 And when he has made an end of atoning for the holy place and the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, he shall bring the live goat;
21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel and all their transgressions and all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send it away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness;
22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities to a barren land;
and he shall leave the goat in the wilderness.
....
26 And he who let go the goat for Azazael shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water and afterward shall come into the camp.
27 And the bullock for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, some of whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, they shall carry forth outside the camp;
and they shall burn in the fire their skins and their meat and their dung.
28 And he who burns them shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water and afterward he shall come into the camp.
29 And this shall be a statute for ever to you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble yourselves and do no work at all, both you and the proselytes who sojourn among you;
30 For on this day shall the priest make an atonement for you, that you may be clean from all your sins and that you may be clean before the LORD.
31 It shall be a sabbath and a rest to you, and you shall humble yourselves;
it is a statute for ever.
32 And the priest who shall be anointed and who is consecrated to minister in the priest’s office in his father’s stead shall make the atonement and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments;
33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests and for all the people of the congregation.
34 And this shall be an everlasting statute for you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year.
And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
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#60
Re: "I will remove the iniquity of that land in that day," when did that occur?
Re: "I bring forth my servant The Branch," when did that occur?
Re: Targum Zechariah 3:8's "I will bring my servant the Anointed one," when did that occur?

Zechariah 3 (Peshitta Tanakh, Lamsa translation), http://superbook.org/LAMSA/ZEC/zec3.htm
6 And the angel of the LORD charged Joshua, saying,
7 Thus says the LORD of hosts:
If you will walk in my ways and keep my commandments,
then you shall also judge my house and keep my courts,
and I will grant you to walk among these that stand by.
8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest,
you and your fellows who stand before you;
for you are marvelous men:
*Behold, I will bring forth the rising of the sun upon my servant.*
9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua;
upon one stone shall be seven facets;
behold, I will open its gates, says the LORD of hosts,
and *I will remove the iniquity of that land in that day.*
10 In that day, says the LORD of hosts, every man shall invite his neighbor under the vine and under the fig tree.

Zechariah 3 (Brenton Septuagint Translation), https://biblehub.com/sep/zechariah/3.htm
8 Hear now, Jesus the high priest,
thou, and thy neighbours that are sitting before thee:
for they are diviners,
*for, behold, I bring forth my servant The Branch.*
9 For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus,
on the one stone are seven eyes:
behold, I am digging a trench, saith the Lord Almighty,
and *I will search out all the iniquity of that land in one day.*
10 In that day, saith the Lord Almighty,
ye shall call together every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig-tree.

"Unrecognized Messiah"
https://blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/j...d-messiah/
see also https://preview.tinyurl.com/yy3ho2nb
which is the short URL for https://books.google.com/books?id=B2CA0h...g=PA396&dq="I+will+bring+my+servant+The+anointed+one"&source=bl&ots=r7tW41NUxm&sig=ACfU3U18dJgJYM1wydD9heS1azRizXdPXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnpIa1lNvhAhVidt8KHRdgDasQ6AEIFDAA#v=onepage&q="I%20will%20bring%20my%20servant%20The%20anointed%20one"&f=false
Targum Zechariah 3.8 : “Lo! : *I will bring my servant the Anointed one,* and he shall be revealed”.
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