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Aramaic Primacy in the East
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Shlama,


I would like to comment here, In Judaism we don't consider Abraham a Gentile obviously, but the term Gentile has gone over some evolution.

Firstly in the Tenakh the definite article usage of "HaGoyim" THE Nations typically denotes Gentiles. However, we see something interesting in the biblical text, Israel is called often a "Goy Kadosh" and "Goy Gadol" This is seen as different than Gentiles. We even get this in Sefer Devarim, 26:5

5. And you shall call out and say before the Lord, your God, "An Aramean [sought to] destroy my forefather, and he went down to Egypt and sojourned there with a small number of people, and there, he became a great, mighty, and numerous nation.

What is interesting about this text is that the quote "An Aramean destroyed my forefather" can also be read as my "my [fore]father was a wandering Aramean." In fact in the Haggadah for Pesach we read it this way, there is even debate between the Rabbis about how it is read. This article explains why:

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However, here we also see Israel being established as a new nation, read: new ethnicity, peoplehood, whatever western category you would like to use. and the word used here for a great and mighty nation is "Goy Gadol."

I have noticed in Peshitta that the term "Ammo", with two mems, is used in exchange for the word Goy[im]. And the Hebrew cognate Am[o] is used for "people." So while, yes these are generic terms, within biblical literature, "The Nations" have a negative usage they are likened to Dogs in Tehilim 59:7-9 and Matti 15:26, and are considered different from Israel and the Jewish people. Yeshua even picks up on some of this language and calls a Gentile woman a dog! Paul is the Sheliach to "The nations." Paul being a student of Rabban Gamaliel, knew full well the distinctions and differences. In fact in the Biblical Text Israel is called an "Am Segulah" a chosen and peculiar treasure to Hashem. This May help explain what Paul is talking about in Romans 9-11.

It is part of the prophetic mystery, hope, expectation and messianic age for the nations to be reconciled with Israel, and Israel was to be a Light to the Nations Or L'Goyim (Zechariah 14 and Yeshiahu 49:6) , That was the message, Abraham become a new nation created a peoplehood that would be a light to the nations and would brith new souls which is suggested by him "Making souls at Padam haram." To blur that distinction is to miss the message of the Tenakh, K'tava Kadisha, and Besorah. Just food for thought.
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Aramaic Primacy in the East - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-04-2013, 08:19 PM
Khabouris a greek translation? - by TruthFinder - 04-03-2022, 10:17 PM
RE: Khabouris a greek translation? - by distazo - 07-17-2022, 09:13 AM
RE: Khabouris a greek translation? - by Thirdwoe - 07-31-2022, 08:44 PM
RE: Khabouris a greek translation? - by Andrej - 08-22-2022, 02:48 PM
RE: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 09-25-2022, 08:58 PM
RE: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Andrej - 10-24-2022, 03:17 PM
RE: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Andrej - 11-29-2022, 12:10 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-05-2013, 10:06 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-06-2013, 08:06 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-06-2013, 10:17 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-06-2013, 02:08 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-06-2013, 05:27 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-07-2013, 12:51 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-07-2013, 04:17 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-07-2013, 06:56 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-07-2013, 08:59 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-07-2013, 10:20 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-07-2013, 11:43 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-08-2013, 03:01 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-08-2013, 03:15 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-08-2013, 04:00 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-08-2013, 06:31 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2013, 06:40 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Casdmo - 12-10-2013, 04:13 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-10-2013, 07:07 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2013, 11:11 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-11-2013, 08:12 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-11-2013, 02:55 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-11-2013, 07:54 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-11-2013, 09:34 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-20-2013, 07:03 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2013, 02:13 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-20-2013, 03:59 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2013, 04:37 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-20-2013, 07:58 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-20-2013, 09:06 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-21-2013, 05:43 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-21-2013, 07:25 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-21-2013, 07:22 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-21-2013, 09:11 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-21-2013, 09:37 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by distazo - 12-22-2013, 12:13 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by gregglaser - 12-22-2013, 03:02 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 12-22-2013, 06:28 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Thirdwoe - 12-22-2013, 07:22 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Bram - 10-21-2014, 11:10 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Paul Younan - 10-21-2014, 09:32 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by ZechariahBY - 10-22-2014, 06:06 PM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Bram - 10-24-2014, 03:27 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by Bram - 10-24-2014, 03:37 AM
Re: Aramaic Primacy in the East - by tobiyah - 10-30-2014, 10:54 AM

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