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John 8,58 controversy
#1
verlan Wrote:All translations of Peshitta have incorrect John 8,58

http://staroslovienskabiblia.wz.sk/bibli...lation.pdf

http://staroslovienskabiblia.wz.sk/biblia/jn8-58.doc


Shlama,


no, actually, the PDF you share is wrong.

first off, this is Yeshua speaking, not His Jewish brothers. the context is very clear, and the grammar of the sentence demands that this is Yeshua speaking. the word LAHUN actually means "to them." it is very clear.

secondly, the ninth word down in the list in PDF that says it means "assembly or church" is wrong. it is the word "that before." the word for "church" looks similar, but has not lamadh, but rather, a Taw. so the text says nothing about a church at all.

thirdly, the tenth word in the list in the PDF is NEWE', and doesn't mean "seduce" at all.

i'm not sure where this came from, but the PDF is flat out wrong. it is the mistranslation of the bunch. don't worry - there is no error in the majority of the translations of the Peshitta in this verse.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#2
verlan Wrote:Hello Jeremy

I think, the "PDF" translation is correct.

Grammatical case is dative, it is very clear - jews speak to Jesus


Shlama,


i honestly don't think any person on this site who reads Aramaic is going to agree with you on this one. the word LAHUN is plural, so there is no way they can speak to Him if the word means "to them." there's only one Messiah - they can't be speaking to multiple Messiah's. the Aramaic literally reads: "Said to them Eshu', '...." a more fluid English translation would obviously be "Eshu' said to them, '...." if you don't believe me, ask one of the native Aramaic speakers on this site like Paul Younan, if the PDF is accurate. i'm not a native speaker, but i can read the Aramaic.

but, if you want to be staunch that it is the Jewish people speaking to Jesus, then you have the right to that opinion. even still, the rest of the PDF's assertion of the "correct" translation of John 8:58 is just flat wrong. please don't think for a moment it is correct.



Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#3
Shlama Akhi Jeremy,

I originally deleted this users first post to save him the embarrassment that was sure to follow the post, but he/she did not appreciate it and accused me of being "afraid" of the "truth."

So no more favors, anyone interested in ripping this thread to shreds please feel free. I'm not interested in answering this idiotic PDF. It's that bad.

+Shamasha
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#4
Shlama akhi Paul,


thanks for the details - and i'm done with offering my attempt at correction, as it is obviously plain as to what the text actually says.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#5
Burning one Wrote:Shlama akhi Paul,


thanks for the details - and i'm done with offering my attempt at correction, as it is obviously plain as to what the text actually says.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy

This is what I have to deal with in my private message box from time to time:

Quote:Question

Sent: 12 Jun 2013 04:11 pm
From: verlan
To: Paul Younan
What problem do you have Sir?
Hate you truth?
Why you remove my forum message?

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#6
Oy,

well, i guess it could be worse. i seem to recall someone on here blasting death threats in every direction about a year ago or so when nobody was biting his Ivan Panin newly-inspired Greek NT.

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Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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#7
Shlama,
Where int he world did you find this guy? not sure how he got any of that at the pdf from. I honestly don't blame Shamasha Younan for not even addressing it. Figuring out which error to start with would be enough of a headache in itself.
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#8
(06-18-2013, 02:00 AM)Paul Younan Wrote: Shlama Akhi Jeremy,

I originally deleted this users first post to save him the embarrassment that was sure to follow the post, but he/she did not appreciate it and accused me of being "afraid" of the "truth."

So no more favors, anyone interested in ripping this thread to shreds please feel free. I'm not interested in answering this idiotic PDF. It's that bad.

+Shamasha

Although I can understand you wanting to save the us from embarrassment due to some of the most ignorant stuff we post here from time to time, I personally have learned from such to be humble and retract my own ignorant statements. It never hurt to eat crow here and there, as it helps to build one's character.

On the other hand I also understand how he felt when his post was seemingly arbitrarily removed. Without anyone helping him to see that the ideology is fatally flawed he was but left with the though that some do not want differing opinion which might challenge the status qua.

Just saying every body ought to be allowed there mistakes  at least until they are refuted beyond all doubt, and they for whatever reason stick to their guns past eyeball deep in quick sand so to speak. Then of course it would be ridiculous to continue with them as one simply can not teach the blind to see. At which time it is simply best to let them go fall of in a ditch on their own so that they can not try and blame another for having distracted them. Awmayn[Strong's #543].
May,
YHWH bless thee and keep thee;
YHWH cause His face to shine on thee, and be gracious to thee;
YHWH lift up His face to thee, and give thee shalom.


Your brother in Yehoshua The Anointed One.

will
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