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AENT Errors
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Shlama,


just a thought: Messiah carried the horizontal beam of the cross to the "stake"-like portion, didn't He? i'm assuming here, since i find it difficult that such a completed structure could be legitimately carried due to the weight. if so, then the uncompleted part that awaited Him would be the "stake," and only when He was actually crucified would it be a true "cross" or T / t shape. it's all really just dividing over hairs, i suppose, but i don't think translationally anything is misconveyed to the reader by sticking (no pun intended) to the term "cross."

i know that some "Messianic" followers believe incorrectly that the shape of the cross is from pagan origins, so that would be the likely initial aversion the older term, and desiring to use the substitute, and not really the idea that it can be translated to an extent as "stake" / a substitute only the Greek term could even allow - the Peshitta's Z'QAFA only really means "elevated object," and by understanding, the cross itself. so, in that case, using a "stake" in translation is putting the Greek-minded idea upon the Aramaic - something we don't want to happen. the Eastern churches, thankfully, were never terribly influenced by the Greek side of things anyhow, so to arrive at a "cross" term to describe the same object, yet it be free of the possible translation of "stake," should be a powerful witness for us that "cross" is legitimate for translation. the shape itself is of no pagan consequence - even Old Negev Hebrew (pre-Exodus / pre-Paleo) shows the letter Tav to look like exactly like the revered shape of the cross we know today. if Alaha saw fit to let people use it, then nobody should have an issue with it.


Chayim b'Moshiach,
Jeremy
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AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-25-2012, 05:55 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 11-25-2012, 07:57 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-25-2012, 08:04 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 01:40 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 11-26-2012, 03:37 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 05:25 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-26-2012, 04:23 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-26-2012, 04:58 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 09:33 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-26-2012, 10:11 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-27-2012, 12:48 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-27-2012, 05:07 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-27-2012, 01:11 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-27-2012, 09:16 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 11-27-2012, 09:56 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2012, 12:16 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-28-2012, 02:15 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-28-2012, 02:54 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2012, 04:19 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-28-2012, 04:42 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-28-2012, 11:49 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-29-2012, 04:22 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-29-2012, 11:15 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-30-2012, 07:41 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 11-30-2012, 08:22 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 11-30-2012, 02:42 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 11-30-2012, 10:05 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-01-2012, 01:47 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-01-2012, 02:05 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-01-2012, 02:24 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-01-2012, 02:33 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-01-2012, 04:54 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-01-2012, 04:13 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-01-2012, 11:43 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-02-2012, 02:42 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-02-2012, 03:29 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-02-2012, 06:30 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-02-2012, 07:34 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-02-2012, 08:06 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-02-2012, 08:21 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-02-2012, 05:08 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-03-2012, 12:10 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-03-2012, 02:33 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-03-2012, 02:41 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-03-2012, 02:47 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-03-2012, 04:00 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-03-2012, 04:46 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-03-2012, 06:14 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-04-2012, 12:44 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-04-2012, 01:40 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-04-2012, 03:46 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-04-2012, 07:43 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-04-2012, 08:37 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-05-2012, 01:20 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-05-2012, 01:31 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 01:39 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-05-2012, 02:43 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 03:51 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-05-2012, 03:58 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 04:02 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-05-2012, 05:01 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 05:19 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Paul Younan - 12-05-2012, 05:41 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Charles Wilson - 12-05-2012, 06:11 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-05-2012, 07:09 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 02:41 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-05-2012, 04:41 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-05-2012, 05:04 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-05-2012, 11:43 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-06-2012, 04:10 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-10-2012, 02:37 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 03:44 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-10-2012, 05:02 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 06:21 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-10-2012, 10:19 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-10-2012, 01:10 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-10-2012, 07:42 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-13-2012, 04:22 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-14-2012, 02:42 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-14-2012, 03:42 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by The Texas RAT - 12-14-2012, 02:30 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-15-2012, 12:51 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-15-2012, 08:24 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-15-2012, 11:20 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-16-2012, 03:47 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Burning one - 12-16-2012, 05:42 AM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-17-2012, 02:24 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Thirdwoe - 12-17-2012, 07:12 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by Luc Lefebvre - 12-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Re: AENT Errors - by ScorpioSniper2 - 12-18-2012, 02:12 AM

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