07-23-2011, 09:07 AM
Thirdwoe Wrote:Will,
It seems to me after reading your posts, that you seem to think that we teach it is OK to walk in the flesh and fulfill the lusts thereof, and that there is no consequence for doing so? If this is your understanding of our relationship with The Messiah and His Father...then you don't understand us at all.
Maybe you have some image in your mind, where you see people that go out and live in their fleshly nature all the time and think nothing of it? That is not what we teach.
If so...you have a distorted and false image of who we are and what we believe as God's Holy People.
I don't find much to disagree with you on most of your points, other than the Former Covenant is not the New Covenant, and God does not deal with His Children on the basis of keeping all the rituals and ordaninces and diets and the various days of observance.
But if a person wants to labor under that Former Covenant, which is no longer valid, and was fullfilled in The Messiah, who met all the requirements...then they can....but understand that it does not save the soul in any way.
As to the moral law...of course it is still true and right to walk in it, as it is loving your fellow man...which The Messiah teaches and commands us to do.
I'll go over some more with you when I get back to the computer...and thanks for taking the time to lay out your position.
Blessings,
Chuck
Chuck,
if the the impression I got was wrong it came from what you said or the fact that you said something with out clarity. Anyway it has come to my attention that it is against forum rules to refute and instruct other in the area of Scriptural doctrine, so this is the last time I will be addressing you (or anybody else for that matter) on anything other than textual stuff. If you wish for further rebuke, instructions, or warnings we will have to do it at another forum. Please feel free to visit me @: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://thetexasrat.freeforums.org/index.php">http://thetexasrat.freeforums.org/index.php</a><!-- m --> and I will be more than glad to help you see that walking in the Spirit of Yahuwah fulfilling the Law Yahuwah is not the same as walking in the flesh trying to keep or not trying to keep the Law of Yahuwah. For if one crucifies their flesh to allow Yahu-Shuah The Anointed One to live in them through the Set-Apart Spirit, this Set-Apart Spirit will live out the Law of Yahuwah through them. Anything we do of the flesh is as filthy rags in the site of Yahuwah (and considered to be adulteress), and only the deeds done by His Set-Apart Spirit [which we are to receive after we accept Yahu-Shuah as our Savoir and Master] through us are to be counted as Righteous. So no we do not gain Salvation by our works of the flesh but if we are truly salvaged the Set-Apart Spirit will walk out the Law of Yahuwah through us, if we crucify the flesh and quench not the Set-Apart Spirit. This would include leading us to observe the Shabbawth and the Feast Days. Again not done to gain salvation, but allowed to be done through us for the sake of the will of the One Whom sent the One Whom salvaged us (because They asked it of us - not as payment for services rendered, but as a duty to our Master' will, that is if we really accepted Him as our Master and Savoir.
I'll be quite frank here - no Master no Savoir - no deeds of the Spirit no faith, no salvation. Yahuwah seeks those whom will worship Him in Spirit and Truth: FOR THERE SHALL BE A TIME WHEN THEY SHALL NOT BEAR SOUND TEACHING, BUT ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRES, THEY SHALL HEAP UP FOR THEMSELVES TEACHERS TICKLING THE EAR[1], [Footnote: [1] Isa. 30:10, Jer. 5:31, Rom. 16:18.] AND THEY SHALL INDEED TURN THEIR EARS AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, AND BE TURNED ASIDE TO MYTHS).
Anyway if you would like to reply to this, or if anyone else would like to follow this conversation or get involved, go to <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://thetexasrat.freeforums.org/index.php">http://thetexasrat.freeforums.org/index.php</a><!-- m --> . Again because of the forum rules I will not answer anything else on Scriptual doctrines here at Peshitta.org.