Luqa 2:52

[justalex]

That's a good point Distazo... YAHUshauh was created first and you can find that also in Mishley 8 where He was "brought forth" by YHWH before the foundations of the world were made... (this is also shown in Yahuchanan 17:5)... However I cannot agree with your point that since He was created or firstborn that it makes Him ELOHIYM... as that is not proven in scripture... I was reading Luqa where it goes through the geneaologies and at the end it says that Adam was the "son of ELOHIYM" also... your assertion would have to include Adam as ELOHIYM since Adam was ELOHIYM's son as well wouldn't it??? (Scratching my head... lol)... ok guys this is a little deeper than I intended but hey, I love learning, LOL...

Thanks,

justalex

It's plainly said in the bible.

And it's quite logical as well.
John 1:1



Colossians 2:9

But if Yeshu is firstborn of God and ALL other things were created by him, we got a point.
It is no heresy or polytheism to claim that God, the almighty is a spirit, The God and his direct creating (agree?) a god as well.
God (Alaha, Elohim) is _just_ <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/huh.gif" alt="" title="Huh" /><!-- s --> a title meaning great/mighty. Saying that Jesus was God, is NOT blashpemy or trinity or what ever name you give it.
You are human, and your children will be human.
God is a spirit, and wont his first spiritual creating, called the firstborn, not be a spirit like God?

And now a smashing <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> argument.

John 1:18. (Peshitta _only_!)
Murdock "No man hath ever seen God; the only begotten God, he who is in the bosom of his Father, he hath declared [him]."

So, we have at least TWO Gods here.
John 10:34 even speaks about -gods-.

At least TWO g-ds??? That my friend would put you in the realm of paganism and any Ibriy that had ANYTHING to do with the SEFER Ha ChAYIM would whole-heartedly disagree with that...

Actually it is neither plain nor logical in either as if you take Yahuchanan 1:1 to mean that The Son and The FATHER are the same (or even two g-ds)it is contradictory to Yahuchanan 17:5 where YAHUshuah says he was "with" YHWH before the creation of the world not that He "was" YHWH... along with other scriptures that I will post if necessary... Also, Yahuchanan 10:34 is speaking of man being "g-ds" and is taken from TEHILLUM 82:6 and NOT your errant "two" god theory...

Thanks...

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justalex