12-02-2010, 11:38 AM
Quote:The Son existed before creation and does not need creation to exist. It is His grace which permits him to exist in both Heaven and earth. Again, that's my opinion. [quote]
This is more to my point that anyone else's has been... especially since "Jesus" asked the Father to "esteem me as I was esteemed BEFORE the earth was created."
That alone shows that "Jesus" was there BEFORE the earth was made and that He then knew his Father and was esteemed by the Father but was not the Father... as the other gentleman put it, that is my opinion added to what the scripture says.
Jesus also said; "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and {WE} will come unto him, and make {OUR} abode with him.
The special emphasis put on those two words is mine to show that both "Jesus" and the FATHER will come and make THEIR abode with whomever keeps the commands given by "Jesus" from The FATHER.
There are many other scriptures like that one however when it comes to those they are generally overlooked in order to favor the doctrine of trinas.
justalex